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[Senor Derp]

Hello fellow Mech Warriors,

I'm not exactly "new" to MWO, I've been playing for a few months. I am new to Mech Warrior as a whole for the most part and I've spent the last 6 hours of my time trying to find a clear answer to the question I'm about to ask.

I'm looking to join a house that generally favor's Stalkers as that is my main mech type but also would field Raven's (if that even ever happens, I don't know and I've been looking for 6 hours). Which house would I be looking to join.

Yes, I am aware I'm currently boating Liao, however that's because the friends I started with chose this house and I was simply trying to match up. With CW coming up (hopefully soon) I'm looking to find a house (and then specifically a group of people) to join.

Yes I read a ton of stuff on Sarna (and was possibly more confused). Yes I used Google. Yes I searched the forums. And no I didn't find a clear cut answer

P.S. My wife says my search terms when searching anything are relatively horrible so that could be why...

[POOTYTANGASAUR]

I group drop and goon with buddies. You dont have to be in a house to use certain mechs. We just run whatever and fight as a team. Get teamspeak and find some dudes to talk to. You will find people. Add me and whenever im on i will drop with you. Just start a group and invite me bud.

[scJazz]

The answer is Liao or Marik. Raven's tend toward Liao and Stalkers are generally Marik.

As of 3050 the Raven is more or less LosTech with Hellespont Industries relocating. Stalkers are built in Irian a Marik planet near Steiner and Liao borders.

Based on your Stalker's first decision Marik... followed by Liao.

[Senor Derp]

POOTYTANGASAUR, on 14 July 2013 - 03:12 PM, said:

I group drop and goon with buddies. You dont have to be in a house to use certain mechs. We just run whatever and fight as a team. Get teamspeak and find some dudes to talk to. You will find people. Add me and whenever im on i will drop with you. Just start a group and invite me bud.

Man.. trying to find a reply that doesn't seem like I'm being rude... internets, why must you fail me for tone and body language on forums? Why?

That's being said, I am aware I don't need to be in a house to run certain Mech's. I already have two groups of buddies I drop in with, some allied with Liao, some with Steiner.

What I'm looking to do, is to immerse myself further into the Mech universe. I don't need to be part of a house to play what I want but I want to be part of a house. As I have already found that I prefer to pilot Stalkers and Raven's, I'm looking to ally myself with a house that would generally run those types of Mech's.

With that all said, to get down to the end result, I'm looking for a house to join and subsequently a division within that house to join and drop in with. I wanted to say clan, but reading everything, there are Clans in the Mech Universe although not at the current time?

I hoping this clarifies why I'm looking for this specific information and what my goals are?

[Senor Derp]

scJazz, on 14 July 2013 - 03:43 PM, said:

The answer is Liao or Marik. Raven's tend toward Liao and Stalkers are generally Marik.

As of 3050 the Raven is more or less LosTech with Hellespont Industries relocating. Stalkers are built in Irian a Marik planet near Steiner and Liao borders.

Based on your Stalker's first decision Marik... followed by Liao.

Ok so looking into Hellespont Industries according to Sarna.net (http://www.sarna.net...pont_Industries), it is a Capellan corporation or at least based in Capellan space under the jurisdiction of Liao but suffered heavy losses due to the Succession Wars which were primarily caused by Marik/Kurita (correct me if I'm reading this wrong). Then it would be safe to assume that I would have managed to salvage/steal a Raven during said Succession Wars to pair along side my Stalkers if I belonged to House Marik (for fluff and RP'ing and such)?

[scJazz]

Senor Derp, on 14 July 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

Ok so looking into Hellespont Industries according to Sarna.net (http://www.sarna.net...pont_Industries), it is a Capellan corporation or at least based in Capellan space under the jurisdiction of Liao but suffered heavy losses due to the Succession Wars which were primarily caused by Marik/Kurita (correct me if I'm reading this wrong). Then it would be safe to assume that I would have managed to salvage/steal a Raven during said Succession Wars to pair along side my Stalkers if I belonged to House Marik (for fluff and RP'ing and such)?

If you really want to get into the details... all Ravens available were built prior to and during the early Succession Wars. Since then with Hellespont Industries relocation Raven maintenance has suffered dramatically. Hellespont has the ability to build/maintain existing Ravens but not build new ones.

Stalkers built on Irian bounce in and out of tech levels (more or less). Irian is a Marik border world never changing hands to Liao as of 3050.

Irian is considered a Core world... settled early and Marik is considered to be even worse than Steiner in terms of selling weapons to our enemy. Therefor Stalkers are most common in Marik, but not uncommon anywhere really. Ravens are extraordinarily uncommon for anyone but Liao.

The following is the Map @ 3052 by the definitive source...

http://iscs.teamspam...f/iscs_3052.pdf

You can see how close Irian is to Liao.

[Koniving]

Senor Derp, on 14 July 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

Fluff with Stalkers and Ravens.

Ravens are a mech that can and have been fielded by many factions, however it is primarily the Liao that field them. In general Liao fields lots of lights and mediums. At this point in the timeline their production of heavies and assaults is very poor and other than salvaged mechs, Liao is home to few heavies (to include Catapults and the Liao-designed and fielded Cataphracts). Ravens are a very present and robust presence in the Liao forces. It is also very likely that Liao would try to salvage stalkers at every opportunity as it fits the Liao's stereotype and preference in battlemech. That is a 'Mech that that can just keep coming at you no matter what it has lost.

As such, Centurions would also be in Liao's favor based on the way they 'survive' here in MWO, however the Centurion is a Davion (federated suns) mech.

Yes, it is also likely that Marik would have Ravens from the plant.

Edited by Koniving, 14 July 2013 - 04:21 PM.

[scJazz]

Koniving, on 14 July 2013 - 04:21 PM, said:

Ravens are a mech that can and have been fielded by many factions, however it is primarily the Liao that field them. In general Liao fields lots of lights and mediums. At this point in the timeline their production of heavies and assaults is very poor and other than salvaged mechs, Liao is home to few heavies (to include Catapults and the Liao-designed and fielded Cataphracts). Ravens are a very present and robust presence in the Liao forces. It is also very likely that Liao would try to salvage stalkers at every opportunity as it fits the Liao's stereotype and preference in battlemech. That is a 'Mech that that can just keep coming at you no matter what it has lost.

As such, Centurions would also be in Liao's favor based on the way they 'survive' here in MWO, however the Centurion is a Davion (federated suns) mech.

Yes, it is also likely that Marik would have Ravens from the plant.

FTFY

The only faction that fields Ravens with or without ECM in any number at all is Liao. Everyone else salvages whatever they can and only Hellespont knows how to maintain/fix/repair the ECM element.

[Aym]

We have a unit forming up at www.house-marik.net that is trying to replicate some Marik tactics, Stalkers and Ravens being primary mechs that are planned. Come check us out!

[White Bear 84]

scJazz, on 14 July 2013 - 04:14 PM, said:

If you really want to get into the details... all Ravens available were built prior to and during the early Succession Wars. Since then with Hellespont Industries relocation Raven maintenance has suffered dramatically. Hellespont has the ability to build/maintain existing Ravens but not build new ones.

Dont get your mech blown up now...

[Koniving]

scJazz, on 14 July 2013 - 04:33 PM, said:

The only faction that fields Ravens with or without ECM in any number at all is Liao. Everyone else salvages whatever they can and only Hellespont knows how to maintain/fix/repair the ECM element.

Well yes in number. I kinda meant the other guys "do" have some. But yesh. I did mean that the other factions field salvaged Ravens in limited and cherished quantities.

Thinking on it, I wish the lower-end Electronic Warfare Equipment which is a low-quality ECM could be used on the Cataphract 0x. Honestly to me the hero mechanic in MWO puts way too many clones of the same people on the field. But the X-5 prototype concept is one that made sense. Limited quantities. If I made a Cataphract "hero" mech, it would've been the 0x as a salvaged prototype. Meh, on second thought it could easily be replicated by the 1X. Although if it had a cannon in the left and right torsos, and 2 energy mounts on each arm.... o.O;

Anyway on the topic of Cataphracts I'd love to have my 1x with properly mounted rear-facing shoulder lasers. I wants it!

[POOTYTANGASAUR]

Senor Derp, on 14 July 2013 - 03:51 PM, said:

Man.. trying to find a reply that doesn't seem like I'm being rude... internets, why must you fail me for tone and body language on forums? Why?

That's being said, I am aware I don't need to be in a house to run certain Mech's. I already have two groups of buddies I drop in with, some allied with Liao, some with Steiner.

What I'm looking to do, is to immerse myself further into the Mech universe. I don't need to be part of a house to play what I want but I want to be part of a house. As I have already found that I prefer to pilot Stalkers and Raven's, I'm looking to ally myself with a house that would generally run those types of Mech's.

With that all said, to get down to the end result, I'm looking for a house to join and subsequently a division within that house to join and drop in with. I wanted to say clan, but reading everything, there are Clans in the Mech Universe although not at the current time?

I hoping this clarifies why I'm looking for this specific information and what my goals are?

Very sorry if i sounded rude i purely just wanted to help and didnt realize you wanted more depth. But reading into the battletech series would be a good way. Also if you go on sarna and look at factions/houses it should give you a little insight. The first book of the battletech series im reading is rare and expensive but you dont lose much by skipping it. All other books are much cheaper and the second book - The saga of the gray death legion decision at thunder rift - is cheap and very action packed. It will give you a bit of story behind some groups and their ideals. If i was to enter a house in MWO it would be steiner or davion because they are very strong houses with strong ideals. I also like liao but unlike their emblem leads you to believe it is not an asian house. It has many nationalities and groups. I dont like kurita much and marik is cool aswell. The other houses/factions i know about are non-MWO currently. So i hope i helped a bit. BTW you can get the battletech books on ebay or amazon dirt cheap and sometimes can buy full groups. If you aren't much into reading then i guess you can install the older MW games and listen to the story as you go.

[scJazz]

Koniving, on 14 July 2013 - 05:20 PM, said:

Well yes in number. I kinda meant the other guys "do" have some. But yesh. I did mean that the other factions field salvaged Ravens in limited and cherished quantities.

Thinking on it, I wish the lower-end Electronic Warfare Equipment which is a low-quality ECM could be used on the Cataphract 0x. Honestly to me the hero mechanic in MWO puts way too many clones of the same people on the field. But the X-5 prototype concept is one that made sense. Limited quantities. If I made a Cataphract "hero" mech, it would've been the 0x as a salvaged prototype. Meh, on second thought it could easily be replicated by the 1X. Although if it had a cannon in the left and right torsos, and 2 energy mounts on each arm.... o.O;

Anyway on the topic of Cataphracts I'd love to have my 1x with properly mounted rear-facing shoulder lasers. I wants it!

I know but he was asking for a direction for Faction choice... saying that everyone has Raven's doesn't help Kinda like everyone has Zeus's (because Steiner Recon Lance fails)

What about BLR-1G 2 of those MLs (energy hardpoints) that you guys are drooling about should be rear facing

[Koniving]

scJazz, on 14 July 2013 - 05:33 PM, said:

I know but he was asking for a direction for Faction choice... saying that everyone has Raven's doesn't help Kinda like everyone has Zeus's (because Steiner Recon Lance fails)

What about BLR-1G 2 of those MLs (energy hardpoints) that you guys are drooling about should be rear facing

And the Quickdraw 4G and the K's right torso lasers. Not sure about the K's left ones.

The Quickdraw 4H is supposed to have rear-facing SRMs. (Troll factor, run from enemy with high rear armor and keep firing streaks out of your backside!)

[Tor Gungnir]

Pfft. Go space viking with the FRR. The way I understand it, they field anything from Lights to Assaults as long as they are heavily armed.

Edited by Tor Gungnir, 14 July 2013 - 05:59 PM.

[Senor Derp]

POOTYTANGASAUR, on 14 July 2013 - 05:31 PM, said:

Very sorry if i sounded rude i purely just wanted to help and didnt realize you wanted more depth. But reading into the battletech series would be a good way. Also if you go on sarna and look at factions/houses it should give you a little insight. The first book of the battletech series im reading is rare and expensive but you dont lose much by skipping it. All other books are much cheaper and the second book - The saga of the gray death legion decision at thunder rift - is cheap and very action packed. It will give you a bit of story behind some groups and their ideals. If i was to enter a house in MWO it would be steiner or davion because they are very strong houses with strong ideals. I also like liao but unlike their emblem leads you to believe it is not an asian house. It has many nationalities and groups. I dont like kurita much and marik is cool aswell. The other houses/factions i know about are non-MWO currently. So i hope i helped a bit. BTW you can get the battletech books on ebay or amazon dirt cheap and sometimes can buy full groups. If you aren't much into reading then i guess you can install the older MW games and listen to the story as you go.

Goodness, no I wasn't implying you sounded rude. I felt that I sounded rude in my response. No need to apologize!

[Hebdomas]

Koniving, on 14 July 2013 - 04:21 PM, said:

Ravens are a mech that can and have been fielded by many factions, however it is primarily the Liao that field them. In general Liao fields lots of lights and mediums. At this point in the timeline their production of heavies and assaults is very poor and other than salvaged mechs, Liao is home to few heavies (to include Catapults and the Liao-designed and fielded Cataphracts). Ravens are a very present and robust presence in the Liao forces. It is also very likely that Liao would try to salvage stalkers at every opportunity as it fits the Liao's stereotype and preference in battlemech. That is a 'Mech that that can just keep coming at you no matter what it has lost.

As such, Centurions would also be in Liao's favor based on the way they 'survive' here in MWO, however the Centurion is a Davion (federated suns) mech.

Yes, it is also likely that Marik would have Ravens from the plant.

Centurions were originally created by the Free Worlds League Military (Marik), but are heavily associated with Davion (Federated Suns) and have their own production facility.

Ravens:

Sarna.net said:

While heavily associated with House Liao, the Capellans were also forced to sell a number to the Free Worlds League and Draconis Combine, the larger share going to the former. The Federated Suns and Lyran Alliance have acquired smaller numbers of Ravens through other means including salvage, and a large number of variants exist.

The Cataphract was created by Liao, but Davion captured the factory creating them. Though Liao eventually built another factory. The CTF-3D was created by Davion.

[Tarl Cabot]

For a number of us, our decision on which House we joined is based on several reasons, none which may be the reasons you join. Basing your reason on your mech of choice is one way of doing it, and I could initially go with that IF there the mechs would be divided like that but they won't be. The most that will happen is that a House may be able to purchase said mech for a different price.

Each House is like a book, can't always judge the book by its cover. During the heyday of the previous MPBTs, it was usually the BT novels which focused primarily on House Steiner and House Davion with touches on the other Houses. Or they joined a House based on its focus, such as Steiner being primarily German or Kurita with its focus on samurai culture and mentality. Eventually though people either stayed or switched Houses based on the interactions within.

For others their loyalty is towards a smaller group of people, all who more or less wants to be mercenaries with the flexibility of where they plant their boots while at the same time not have outsiders say what happens within their own unit (regiment). With merc units, someone may join them not cause their are a merc unit but because of their prestige of being an elite gaming unit within that game.

With that said, until CW arrives and solidifies the player base, the best decision you can make is to check and drop with people and/or friends and stick with them because for many it is the relationships made within game that keeps them playing the games, as long as there is consistent communication occurring via email/forums while in-game TS/Mumble/C3.

[scJazz]

Koniving, on 14 July 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

And the Quickdraw 4G and the K's right torso lasers. Not sure about the K's left ones.

The Quickdraw 4H is supposed to have rear-facing SRMs. (Troll factor, run from enemy with high rear armor and keep firing streaks out of your backside!)

I poo streaks will become FOTM OP! I poo on u! Also wtb flip arms... my Quickdraw and SplatCat will be so OP that PPCkrai drowned out!

[Aym]

Tarl Cabot, on 14 July 2013 - 06:21 PM, said:

For a number of us, our decision on which House we joined is based on several reasons, none which may be the reasons you join. Basing your reason on your mech of choice is one way of doing it, and I could initially go with that IF there the mechs would be divided like that but they won't be. The most that will happen is that a House may be able to purchase said mech for a different price.

Each House is like a book, can't always judge the book by its cover. During the heyday of the previous MPBTs, it was usually the BT novels which focused primarily on House Steiner and House Davion with touches on the other Houses. Or they joined a House based on its focus, such as Steiner being primarily German or Kurita with its focus on samurai culture and mentality. Eventually though people either stayed or switched Houses based on the interactions within.

For others their loyalty is towards a smaller group of people, all who more or less wants to be mercenaries with the flexibility of where they plant their boots while at the same time not have outsiders say what happens within their own unit (regiment). With merc units, someone may join them not cause their are a merc unit but because of their prestige of being an elite gaming unit within that game.

With that said, until CW arrives and solidifies the player base, the best decision you can make is to check and drop with people and/or friends and stick with them because for many it is the relationships made within game that keeps them playing the games, as long as there is consistent communication occurring via email/forums while in-game TS/Mumble/C3.

This is a great point and should be in the Read me file that automatically opens when a player first installs MWO. It should also mention a lot about using the mechlab, with pictures, and info on the in-game UI. There are several very well done examples here in the new player forum created by a caring community. PGI's restraint from including ANYTHIN like this is still a shame. That said, I joined Space A-Marik-a because of the description on this site and the people I met once I flew the flag. I hope the OP finds the same welcome I did on our TS server and forum.