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[Arrogusss]

Well well well
So last 2 games, pugging, someone gets "command".
First game we lose horribly as some NOBODY (you know who uR) bosses people around and puts up locations on map, typing wayyy tooo much. He puts up a whole 51 dmg at end of match.
Second game just now; again someone pings up with CMD and tells everyone to basecamp defend, assault mode, on Tourmaline.
Ecm'ed Atlas refuses to sit at base for 5+ minutes and starts the walk as do I. Then Atlas Disconnects figuring its pure crap that only me and him were heading out. Game was already 0-2 them, from him getting shot up and me going 3 to one while everyone else just sat at base. Good Job Commander lmfao.
Unless I am in a group I will NEVER, Repeat-Repeat-Repeat NEVVVVERRRRRRR follow orders from anyone. Advice yes... absolute ordering around cause you have a command console equipped, NEVER.
And I suggest all of you do the same. Every game so far since I started playing, where some guy was barking out bad advice and orders has been a LOSS.
Since last patch with the notifications and audible dings it's been much worse. Especially for the very new players, this makes them think they really do have to follow commands, when it's really a bad idea unless they truly are an exceptional player, who has demonstrated such to have a CMD status.
Needs to be removed from game imo.
Yes, just now after 2 losses, 2 deaths, 2 times in a row, zero kills, I AM VENTING.

[wolf74]

You can not Blame the Player that took the Command position Unless you follow his order. IF you don't follow his/her order the fault falls on you know matter how Dumb the orders maybe.

[jeffsw6]

Take the instructions from your "commander" as suggestions with helpful icons on the map.

[Lefty Lucy]

Let's just say I'm glad I'm in a different Elo bracket than you.

[Arrogusss]

wolf74, on 08 June 2013 - 09:13 PM, said:

You can not Blame the Player that took the Command position Unless you follow his order. IF you don't follow his/her order the fault falls on you know matter how Dumb the orders maybe.

......Yeah ok... exactly then.
My point is that it just screws the game up for the whole team, especially when half the team follows the dumb "orders" and the other half doesn't. Either way it's a losing situation, BLAME aside.

Lefty Lucy, on 08 June 2013 - 09:16 PM, said:

Let's just say I'm glad I'm in a different Elo bracket than you.

Please elaborate?
Is it because you assume i am in some Sh*&$ty ELO bracket; or when you have an overall 10-1 KD ratio the CMD feature goes away, as in the bracket you are in?

[Bobdolemite]

As well intended as this post may have been at the start what I got from it was "Guy with commander suggested this so I got bored and did this" which is counterproductive. If people had listened and taken up defensive positions they probably would have won. Striking out 2 deep is not an option (or shouldnt be with a good team)

Perhaps people have dumb advice and perhaps sometimes these people have a command module. But in the vast majority of cases when someone is giving direction and people actually follow it we tend to win. Either that or we all commit to a bad idea and die in which case the round is short.

My advice, if someone is taking the time to give information pay attention. This is the only way we have to communicate and if people ignore it wholesale then the overall game experience is going to get worse. My best matches are ones where we play "like" we have voice com. Where even short cryptic messages give people the idea they need and the team shuffles around accordingly.

I would not advise people to ignore command module or text based instructions unless they are obviously from a new player (hey lets all spread out and run circle jerks in the snow! - this kind of stuff)

[Lokust Davion]

I blacklist pilots who ignore my command.

[Arrogusss]

Bobdolemite, on 08 June 2013 - 09:58 PM, said:

As well intended as this post may have been at the start what I got from it was "Guy with commander suggested this so I got bored and did this" which is counterproductive. If people had listened and taken up defensive positions they probably would have won. Striking out 2 deep is not an option (or shouldnt be with a good team)

Perhaps people have dumb advice and perhaps sometimes these people have a command module. But in the vast majority of cases when someone is giving direction and people actually follow it we tend to win. Either that or we all commit to a bad idea and die in which case the round is short.

My advice, if someone is taking the time to give information pay attention. This is the only way we have to communicate and if people ignore it wholesale then the overall game experience is going to get worse. My best matches are ones where we play "like" we have voice com. Where even short cryptic messages give people the idea they need and the team shuffles around accordingly.

I would not advise people to ignore command module or text based instructions unless they are obviously from a new player (hey lets all spread out and run circle jerks in the snow! - this kind of stuff)

First off there was no "I got bored and did this"
Also, who is to say that out of 8 guys/gals that the one who loaded on 3 tons of Command console is the one with the best strategy or sound advice, experience etc etc etc...
And why the he*%Ck should anyone take orders in the first place in a "Pick-Up-Game"
The truth IS that the one who equips the CMDmod is also the one with some sort of epeen ego trip, spending too much time typing.
I am the first one to call out things like "e3333, raven heading to base, move up advance theyre focusing on basecap atm, theyre pushing d4...etc etc etc"
Calling out info, listening and working as a team are all fine. Dooming your drop because someone thinks they're gonna be BossyBossMAN all game is BS.

[SirLANsalot]

IF we had a properly implemented VoIP system in the game, and not some half assed program thats shoehorned into the game....it would make working together, in pugs, a completely different game, overnight.

Typing as a way of communication, in a First or even 3rd person based game, is NEVER a good idea. Why? You have to take your hands OFF of your controls, to type, so while you are typing, your not able to respond to a fight happening, much less able to do anything DURING a fight.

Talking is far better, because even with PTT, its just ONE button, that most people are used to binding to there talk button. For me its MOUSE4 or 5, aka the side buttons of your 5 button mouse. Very easy to hit with your thumb, and you don't even have to stop shooting, or piloting your mech....what a thought!

[Iron Hyena]

You lost two games, and one was because you refused to follow orders, and ran off ALONE TO DIE.

You're an *****.

There are bad commanders out there, but there are far more bad players.

You are a player I would hate to have to command, since at least 50% of the time you run off to die, and then blame it on me.

[Arrogusss]

Dornhal, on 08 June 2013 - 10:16 PM, said:

You lost two games, and one was because you refused to follow orders, and ran off ALONE TO DIE.

You're an *****.

There are bad commanders out there, but there are far more bad players.

You are a player I would hate to have to command, since at least 50% of the time you run off to die, and then blame it on me.

hmmm
Am I going to spend hours of my life defending this post over and over...nah.
Am I a ****??? Sometimes yeah, self-proclaimed.
BTW I did not run off Alone to die, I ran off with another Atlas, NOT alone. Basecamping in general is weak, and base camping on the largest map known to mwo is just unfair in general to other team mostly.

"You are a player I would hate to have to command, since at least 50% of the time you run off to die, and then blame it on me."
Never will you Have to command me, just aint gonna EVER happen. that's the whole point of this post.
50 percent of the time I don't run off to die. Actually 50 percent of the time i have the highest dmg and assists and kills on my losing team when bossy commanders who spent half the game standing still and typing led everyone to a loss with no input as far as damage, assists etc.. except for pure bossybossman BS.

CMD Status should be given to players whose stats in their specific ELO bracket are superior in some way to other players on the same team, not just because they have a module installed. Thats what I'm saying PERIOD.

[DaisuSaikoro Nagasawa]

Arrogusss, on 08 June 2013 - 08:57 PM, said:

Well well well
So last 2 games, pugging, someone gets "command".
First game we lose horribly as some NOBODY (you know who uR) bosses people around and puts up locations on map, typing wayyy tooo much. He puts up a whole 51 dmg at end of match.
Second game just now; again someone pings up with CMD and tells everyone to basecamp defend, assault mode, on Tourmaline.
Ecm'ed Atlas refuses to sit at base for 5+ minutes and starts the walk as do I. Then Atlas Disconnects figuring its pure crap that only me and him were heading out. Game was already 0-2 them, from him getting shot up and me going 3 to one while everyone else just sat at base. Good Job Commander lmfao.
Unless I am in a group I will NEVER, Repeat-Repeat-Repeat NEVVVVERRRRRRR follow orders from anyone. Advice yes... absolute ordering around cause you have a command console equipped, NEVER.
And I suggest all of you do the same. Every game so far since I started playing, where some guy was barking out bad advice and orders has been a LOSS.
Since last patch with the notifications and audible dings it's been much worse. Especially for the very new players, this makes them think they really do have to follow commands, when it's really a bad idea unless they truly are an exceptional player, who has demonstrated such to have a CMD status.
Needs to be removed from game imo.
Yes, just now after 2 losses, 2 deaths, 2 times in a row, zero kills, I AM VENTING.

Have you thought of emailing the person and striking up a dialog?

Perhaps working with them to improve future games.

The worst thing is that there are a lack of commanders. There are people who want to keep people together and facilitate good game play but it's not easy. PGI doesn't give the tools to make this ultimately possible.

Commanders aren't perfect, neither are warriors, but if both try... hopefully they'll both improve.

Anyway, there is no module. *shakes head*

[Arrogusss]

Daisu Saikoro, on 08 June 2013 - 10:38 PM, said:

Have you thought of emailing the person and striking up a dialog?

Perhaps working with them to improve future games.

The worst thing is that there are a lack of commanders. There are people who want to keep people together and facilitate good game play but it's not easy. PGI doesn't give the tools to make this ultimately possible.

Commanders aren't perfect, neither are warriors, but if both try... hopefully they'll both improve.

Anyway, there is no module. *shakes head*

Chances are i will never drop with that person again.
Honestly have only had about 25 or so games where I saw the commander chat pop up, probably 20 were losses.
I agree with all of your statements though. I LOVE it when I drop with 7 others and we come up with a quick plan, communicate all game and stomp the other team 8-0.
Unfortunately the Command CONSOLE (not module,my bad) is not the answer to better teamwork. It's just not imo. Is my opinion S*%$T, maybe...maybe not.

[PEEFsmash]

It sucks that some people who take the commander wheel suck, but....

There is an easy solution that prevents anyone from taking command...just do it yourself as fast as you can at the beginning of a match, then don't use it.

Second option, if the commander makes a bad order, try to convince him to change the order. Sucks that this has to go on, but thats what we get without voice chat.

Third option, ask PGI what the hell is going on where we still don't have basic voice chat 1 year into this game.

Also, this hasn't been happening to me. I think I've only been in one game that someone felt the need to take command, and they didn't do all that bad. Other than that, I'm the only one who has taken command, and I only did it to switch the lances to lights/bigs so I could keep track of the other lights position and health, not waste my time giving orders that they probably don't want to hear.

Edited by PEEFsmash, 08 June 2013 - 11:01 PM.

[Satan n stuff]

I'd like to point out that there are quite a few premade groups who will have one player take command to relay orders and information to the rest of the team, so simply ignoring the commander because you lost a couple of matches is a pretty stupid thing to do.

[ArmandTulsen]

OP has issues with authority.

[One Medic Army]

Arrogusss, on 08 June 2013 - 10:08 PM, said:

Also, who is to say that out of 8 guys/gals that the one who loaded on 3 tons of Command console is the one with the best strategy or sound advice, experience etc etc etc...

Why do people assume you need the command console to be commander?
You don't.

[jaakkomm]

Nice excuse, im sure that 2 of you would beat 8 enemy mechs...
(You dont have to follow some random atlas and blame the commander)

[Dexter Herbivore]

Arrogusss, on 08 June 2013 - 10:48 PM, said:

Unfortunately the Command CONSOLE (not module,my bad) is not the answer to better teamwork. It's just not imo. Is my opinion S*%$T, maybe...maybe not.

The command console does jack. You take command by opening up the map and clicking on "Take Command".

[DaisuSaikoro Nagasawa]

You know what's a major problem that I believe I'm noticing.

The shift for new players to playing with just your ELO bracket means that you won't get people pushing you to improve your game. You won't come across the players who will tell you to Press "R" to get a target, or to be mindful of certain situational things. So these new players come in with their fresh ELOs and play with others... re-enforcing bad behaviors... then they get into the higher elo bracket and they think what they've done previously is still going to apply.

It's like playing pug matches almost exclusively and thinking it'll apply once you get into 4 mans... or playing 4 mans exclusively and thinking that'll work for 8. It's unfortunate and probably won't change until they institute a training program.