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[Hornviech]

In the latest Inside source from MWO there is a picture under the "Pop´em Back and MOAR!" is that a Warhammer ?
From this point of View it loks like.

[Bishop Steiner]

Hornviech, on 07 June 2013 - 05:41 AM, said:

In the latest Inside source from MWO there is a picture under the "Pop´em Back and MOAR!" is that a Warhammer ?
From this point of View it loks like.

Nope. "Hammer's don't jump, and PGI don't want the legal hassle of the Unseen, it appears.

That my friend, is a crotch-cam view of a jumping BlackJack!

[Hyperlynx]

I was just about to say that the pic on Sarna doesn't look anything like the Warhammer I remember from MW2, but realised I'm thinking of the Warhawk...

[Eric darkstar Marr]

I gotta go with Bishop on this one for sure. Looks like the BJ-3

[Belorion]

/no

[AlmightyAeng]

No. Unseen. PGI won't touch it.

[Jakob Knight]

Unfortunately, the word still is that the Unseen are still not to be seen in MWO. Best you can do for now to simulate a Warhammer is to use an AWS-8T (close in look too), though when the Orion comes out it may offer a closer match.

One of the mechs most wanted in the game, an icon of Battletech for years, and it can't be in the best of the MW series to date because of greed (you have to wonder how much money HG is -not- making by continuing to block all Macross series and items from American markets all these years....).

The sad thing is that the WHM-6R, one of 'the most powerful mechs ever fielded' wouldn't be very dangerous in the current MWO setting due to the huge variety of weapons to control. Still would be a better mech than the Quickdraw (is it me, or are the Devs specifically targetting the mech models that were the least used for inclusion into MWO?).

[Hyperlynx]

Greed schmeed. They shouldn't have copied someone else's walking robot tanks in the first place.

[MeiSooHaityu]

The thing I wonder is, isn't the "Unseen" mechs an issue because they look like the Robotech (I think Robotech?) mechs? If PGI is doing pretty radical re-designs of traditional mechs, why can't they re-design the un-seens enough to skirt the copyright issues?

I suppose they will just play it safe and not risk it, but still. If it is changed enough not to resemble the Robotech original, then guess what, it is NOT a Robotech design. *shrug*

[Sephlock]

Ghost Badger, on 07 June 2013 - 07:47 AM, said:

No. Unseen. PGI won't touch it.

Yeah, yeah, I know... but still .

[Ryokens leap]

There needs to be a mandatory new player read that includes a list of the unseen and an explanation of why they are not available for current game development.

[AlmightyAeng]

Sephlock, on 07 June 2013 - 08:09 AM, said:

Yeah, yeah, I know... but still .

I know...this video and the possibilities it represented (Gritty Unreal engine, Unseen 'Mechs) makes me wistful.

[Hyperlynx]

Sephlock, on 07 June 2013 - 08:09 AM, said:

lol, what a noob.

I know that's not the intended reaction to the trailer but, well, there it is.

Edited by Hyperlynx, 07 June 2013 - 08:44 AM.

[Butane9000]

[Bishop Steiner]

Hyperlynx, on 07 June 2013 - 08:02 AM, said:

Greed schmeed. They shouldn't have copied someone else's walking robot tanks in the first place.

cool story bro. wrong, but cool.

Before opening your mouth and just being, well, wrong, try looking up the real story. It's easy to find. They had the rights, or THOUGHT they did.

[Hyperlynx]

Bishop Steiner, on 07 June 2013 - 09:00 AM, said:

cool story bro. wrong, but cool.

Before opening your mouth and just being, well, wrong, try looking up the real story. It's easy to find. They had the rights, or THOUGHT they did.

They thought they had the rights to copy someone else's stompy robots, but then they didn't? Boo ******* hoo. It's not that ******* hard to come up with cool robot designs in the first place. I'm not sympathetic.

Edited by Hyperlynx, 07 June 2013 - 09:07 AM.

[Zerberus]

Warhammer and teh rest of the Unseen will never be in MWO, this has been confirmed and repeated by the devs in almost every second or third ATD ever, because the question keeps getting asked again and again.

The potential for the game to instanly be shut down due to litigation from License holders is way to big.

Hyperlynx, on 07 June 2013 - 09:06 AM, said:

They thought they had the rights to copy someone else's stompy robots, but then they didn't? Boo ******* hoo. It's not that ******* hard to come up with cool robot designs in the first place. I'm not sympathetic.

Are you daft??

First you say what amounts to "useless IP thieves, sue them all"

Then, after finding out it wasn`t as clear cut as you state and they thought they had a valid license, you complain about them NOT stealing the IP , which they in effect inadvertently did.

You sir are most obviously either trolling, or grossly underinformed and blatantly self contradictory. A great politician`s career is in your future.

Edited by Zerberus, 07 June 2013 - 09:11 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

don't recall looking for sympathy, just accuracy.

Gotta love this internet generation who don't realize things in 1982 weren't click and done, especially internationally. And the game was started as a homage to Anime, with a westernized feel, hence their acquiring the rights.

But by all means, continue to revel in ignorance, if you enjoy it. Just try not to spread it.


borrowed from St Jobe (should a person actually care to know what is REALLY up)

stjobe, on 07 June 2013 - 04:48 AM, said:

If you only knew how so many of us wish it was that easy...

The thing is, the current license holder of the Macross IP, Harmony Gold, is a litigious bunch of ********, and they've already threatend PGI with legal action over their Mechwarrior 5 video.

The whole thing is a freaking mess, with at least two Japanese companies both claiming rights to Macross, and at least two companies (three with FASA) claiming to have licenses for those rights in the U.S.

In the end, Harmony Gold is aggressively protecting the Macross IP, and as noted above have already threatened PGI with legal action. It's a fair bet that we will never see any Unseen 'mechs in MWO.

Sources, if you want to read up on the whole sordid affair:
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Unseen
http://kotaku.com/53...o-legal-trouble
http://www.terrania....ech-second.html
http://en.wikipedia....armony_Gold_USA
http://bg.battletech...pic,9479.0.html

In fact, the only reason HG has won anything is essentially (an inexplicably) they simply have had more money to ram down the legal system.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 07 June 2013 - 09:22 AM.

[stjobe]

FASA did license the rights to the Macross (and Crusher Joe, and a couple other IPs) imagery, fair, square, and legal - the only problem was that there were two companies in Japan that both felt they had the rights to those shows, and FASA only licensed the rights from one of them (the one that had the rights for international licensing).

A Japanese judge later decided the other company actually had all the rights, both domestic and internationally, and that the one FASA had licensed the rights from didn't have rights to license it to FASA. Harmony Gold had licensed the rights from that other company, and so they now own the rights to these IPs.

And FASA had to make the 'mechs Unseen.

Edited by stjobe, 07 June 2013 - 09:49 AM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

That's the thing though, right? I mean if you own the name to the mechs, draw a mech with that name that DOESN'T look like the Macross mechs.

PGI's Catapult does NOT look like the traditional Battletech Catapult (as an example). I don't see why they couldn't do this tweaking to the un-seens. It isn't a copyright issue if there is nothing that closely ties the designs togather.