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[Ningyo]

Only 20 options for a poll so I left out Flamers since lots use them for lols but everyone knows they are complete trash.

Some of these are rather obvious, but kind of wonder about others like Medium Pulse lasers, and AC/5s or some others I dislike, but see others use sometimes.

Also please do not include using them on trial mechs. This is for mechs you choose to play with.


By the way the "Never but they are good" option I wrote meaning you think the weapon is powerful, and you would consider using it, you just haven't put it on a mech. Not to mean it is properly balanced.

For instance I have never used an AC/20 mostly because the only mech I have owned that can use one is the Atlas DDC, and I prefer double UAC/5 or gauss on it. If I bought a Jagger or some such I might well try using the AC/20 as I find it a very powerful looking weapon.

EDIT: Yes I changed the name, hoping to get some more people for even better data.

EDIT: So when the new patch comes out should I compile data before patch into a spoiler in first post and reset the poll to scratch, or compile info and then leave it unchanged?

(maybe post why you like an uncommonly used weapon could be interesting too.)

For instance despite all the drawbacks on high heat (about same as ERPPC) for the ERLL, I played it a bunch as a 4xERLL Cicada, could get fairly decent speed still around 120 kph I think. and would go for headshots with it, or core out backs depending on enemies facing. Was by no means a great mech, but it did all right and was fun.

Also sometimes did a cicada with ECM and 2xERLL 150kph, with only 2 you don't have huge heat problems and I would harass enemy groups from range while moving quickly and get them to chase me instead of fighting our group. I liked that the lasers pointed back to me making them want to engage but since I was so fast I would already be gone leaving them to chase ghosts.

Edited by Ningyo, 11 June 2013 - 10:53 PM.

[Victor Morson]

Good poll, but it's missing the Flamer.

Answered in the post above.

Great poll though, it offers fairly constructive discussion.

Edited by Victor Morson, 10 June 2013 - 02:04 AM.

[John MatriX82]

I use a lot of PPCs later on, I'd like to fall back using SRMs/lasers/AC20 to brawl, but not until SRMs are taken out of the trash bin; they require a combo of damage buff and tighter grouping at closer ranges, no cylinger-like pattern (I liked the previous pulse pattern much more).

[Kitane]

I have yet to buy a single piece of ER PPC or Gauss, last time I used these was in CB.

...oh wait, there was a trial Dragon(c) with Gauss I've tried once.

Edited by Kitane, 10 June 2013 - 02:37 AM.

[Kidjal]

Medium lasers are the best imo!

Edited by Kidjal, 10 June 2013 - 02:54 AM.

[MustrumRidcully]

Medium Lasers are "cheap" and effective. You rarely see mechs build entirely around them in the heavy to assault class, but it's always a useful side weapon. (Heavies and Assaults just don't have enough energy hard points to fill the with medium lasers and still fill up their tonnage).

AC/10 and AC/2 I use almost never. The AC/2 has a terrible mix of heat and rate of fire that I find useless in practice. The AC/10 is just too weak compared to the just 2 ton heavier AC/20.

The AC/5 is kinda okay, but if you go ballistic, why not Gauss or AC/20. Or maybe UAC/5, but I am not a fan of jamming nor a fan of high ROF weapons.

LLs are okay, but I stil lwonder if the PPC isn't more effecive right now. The PPC and LL are definitely more effective than the LPL. The beam duration is still too long and the damage too low to be worth the weight difference to the LL, especially with that low range. If it had the same range as the LL, it migh be useful.

SPL is just worse than the ML or the SL, and I don't generally run mechs that need to be so stingy on heat and weight that they have to resort to SLs. (Though they are, for their weight, pretty good.)

Medium Pulse Lasers seem underpowered compared to MLs. Their perks do not justify doubling the weight. A bit more damage and the same heat as the ML might be justified.

Machine Guns ... They are underpowered, and even with more DPS, I am not sure I would find htem useful. The constant-stream-of-bullets aspect of using them just doesn't seem like a good idea.

[Sybreed]

nice poll! It should show how much the game is turning into pinpoint alpha online.

What your next poll could be is what people use: Min-Max builds or balanced builds?

[MaddMaxx]

Have pretty much settled into the LL myself. Will, and can use ,most others, but the Mech I prefer to drive builds best with them.

[Felbombling]

I used the Ultra AC/5s and a Large Laser on my Cataphract 3D to some success, but found myself switching over to a Gauss and two PPCs just to be competitive in the pop-tart-pin-point-alpha show. The Ultras left me too exposed while I tried to focus damage for even a few seconds. Out of pure boredom and disappointment I have played only twenty-one games since ELO was introduced. Killing Mechs with one or two mouse clicks just isn't really my thing. I am holding out hope that they can fix balance, because I remember how fun and exciting the combat was in Closed Beta.

[TexAce]

Good poll, unbiased and shows clearly what needs improvement: LBX, SPLs and MGs

[Stoicblitzer]

anything but ac/10, mg, flamer, lbx, erllas, splas, srm, narc.

everything else sufficiently helps my team to victory.

[Ningyo]

Well 61 votes in, wasn't sure how many would go through and vote on the 20 questions hehe.

Seems the community agrees with you Stoicblitzer with the inclusion of Small laser and maybe AC/5 so far.

And yeah I didn't put NARC or TAG in either though I consider them more an equipment than a weapon personally. (With NARC being crap and TAG being situationally worth having)

Hope we get some more votes, a few like Large pulse lasers I did not expect to be used as much. Maybe I should take another look at them, doubt I will ever find them to be a favorite, but never know. Personally my only "Often" that the community seems to dislike is the ERLL, and admittedly while I like a lot about it, it does have tons of drawbacks.

[Ursus_Spiritus]

OP you should have included Flamers.

Poll is biased there for null in void.

I use almost all of the weapons in the game across the 40+ mechs I have.

Edited by 8100d 5p4tt3r, 10 June 2013 - 10:36 AM.

[SMDMadCow]

8100d 5p4tt3r, on 10 June 2013 - 10:35 AM, said:

OP you should have included Flamers.

Poll is biased there for null in void.

I use almost all of the weapons in the game across the 40+ mechs I have.

You didnt read the OP did you?

[MustrumRidcully]

SMDMadCow, on 10 June 2013 - 11:03 AM, said:

You didnt read the OP did you?

He did read the poll, he hasn't got all day! It's hard to focus one thing that

[William Mountbank]

I use MPLas (in addition to MLas) on my main Cataract build, because it doesn't have free slots for more heatsinks and it's nice to have a slightly higher firerate on the arms. Normally I would use MLas if I need a low weight weapon.

The SLas is actually pretty useful to me, even though it seems rubbish at first glance. My main mech is the pack hunter config of the Spider, and having 2 SLas in addition to the ER-PPC encourages other lights to disengage at close range, and helps to fill in the aching gaps between PPC shots during brawls.

Likewise the ER-LLas is good for light mechs with fewer heat concerns than the heavies. It gives them range and good hitting power against other lights.

[Victor Morson]

TexAss, on 10 June 2013 - 06:59 AM, said:

Good poll, unbiased and shows clearly what needs improvement: LBX, SPLs and MGs

I am glad to see that the votes so far do in fact somewhat represent the community, with the most used weapons clearly superior: look at the disparity between Lasers and Pulse Lasers.

I was really worried we'd have a ton of votes for LBX/10 or something, a lot of random PUGs tend to use that until they know better.

Edited by Victor Morson, 10 June 2013 - 11:22 AM.

[Ningyo]

Bumping to try and get people that play at different times. Sort of surprised at just how commonly used a few of these are.

And this seriously shows SPL need something lol they get far worse than anything else even machine guns in this. (though at least energy has other small alternatives, ballistics don't.)

Edited by Ningyo, 10 June 2013 - 06:24 PM.

[Roland]

LOL @ the guys who use small pulse lasers "often".

[Keifomofutu]

SPL seems like the least used weapon in the game. Not really surprising. It wasn't used much even way back with SHS when small lasers were a common weapon.

Buff SPL damage to 4 or strike!