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[HOO344]

Hi it's hoo344 here an I wanted to announce I'm pro rank gonna get a used cheat desktop but I need some help what computer do I get and what graphics card and where do I get it and that kind of stuff because I talked to my mom and she said ya if you have enough I have 105 dollars earning more AND I wanted to apologize to scjazz of how I yelled and got frustarated like that why did I do that is because I'm having family issues and school issues and it just pilled up and inlet it out but I shouldn't of let it out on you I'm sorry

[HOO344]

Hi it's me and I saw this online what do you guys think

http://item.mobilewe...Id=230869692358

[kevin roshak]

You for sure are going to need a graphics card, to upgrade the RAM and the hard drive if you want to use that.

Also you might want to put this in the hardware section (Mod)

Edited by kevin roshak, 09 June 2013 - 05:14 PM.

[HOO344]

If I get it will i still be able to use it though just in general not for the game itself

[HOO344]

Ok how's this cheaper and better


http://www.computerr...CFcyf4AodgkwApg

[Uncle Ted]

That computer should work fine if all you want to do is read web pages. If you want to play MechWarrior and other modern games, you're going to need to save up at least $500.

[HOO344]

Ok lol but how's that other it's from a reliable source bestbuy lol and cheaper

[Uncle Ted]

You are going to need more power than that to even launch this game. It's missing a proper 3D video card and the processor is very weak.
Here's an example budget PC build that would run Mechwarrior just fine.
http://www.tomshardw...ndation-54.html
It's about $660 if you build it yourself.

Edited by Uncle Ted, 09 June 2013 - 05:36 PM.

[Phaesphoros]

Both PCs have really too few RAM, 4 GB is MINIMUM; also I don't think a Celeron would be any good for gaming (-> consult stats / comparisons).

Oh, it would be nice if you started by buying a keyboard with the following keys (make sure it has 'em, looks like your current keyboard is missing those):
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Edited by Phaesphoros, 09 June 2013 - 05:39 PM.

[Uncle Ted]

Phaesphoros, on 09 June 2013 - 05:36 PM, said:

Did you want to say "If you want to play MechWarrior and other modern games at high resolution and with high details / high settings, you're going to need to save up at least $500."???

</p>Nope. I meant exactly what I said. Heck, Windows costs $100 by itself. a super-cheap case is $40. A 2-gen old video card is about $100 and we haven't even started talking about the motherboard, CPU or RAM.You could probably scrape together a core i3 and a mediocre video card with 4GB of RAM for around 350 but the results would be disappointing. Especially considering that 105 bucks seems to be a lot for the OP. Imagine if s/he saves up for a few weeks and ends up running MWO at 15fps.

[Phaesphoros]

Uncle Ted, on 09 June 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:

</p>Nope. I meant exactly what I said. Heck, Windows costs $100 by itself. a super-cheap case is $40. A 2-gen old video card is about $100 and we haven't even started talking about the motherboard, CPU or RAM.You could probably scrape together a core i3 and a mediocre video card with 4GB of RAM for around 350 but the results would be disappointing. Especially considering that 105 bucks seems to be a lot for the OP. Imagine if s/he saves up for a few weeks and ends up running MWO at 15fps.

Sorry, I misread the OP, found his/her dxdiag and thought she'd already have an i3 (and want to upgrade). But it's a mobile CPU, therefore a notebook. Removed that passage from my post.

[Uncle Ted]

Fair enough Phaes.
Here's the hardware build thread. Every once in a while Vulpes updates some recommended builds including one right around $500, OP may find that helpful someday.
http://mwomercs.com/...he-week-reborn/Gremlich: I'm guessing Xbox or hyperbole.

Edited by Uncle Ted, 09 June 2013 - 06:10 PM.

[Koniving]

Gremlich Johns, on 09 June 2013 - 05:56 PM, said:

How does a pro rank player not know about computers in genral and video cards?

My guess is an xbox player jumping from CoD. There's a number of things in the OP's chat history suggesting a young age. Aiming for around 150 dollars for a computer also suggests high experience (and expectations) with consoles. Claiming to read a guide that took me 13 minutes to skim within 2 minutes of being told about it... let's just say any help we do provide will need to be overly simplified and/or with detailed explanation for someone with little to no knowledge of computers and a very small budget.

My computer was 1,277 at the time I bought it. It's considered to be outdated the moment I got it, and now might run about 900 for the same stuff. Even then it required post-purchase enhancements (mainly ram since 4 gigs of RAM is NOT enough to run a decent graphics card let alone two of them).

Edited by Koniving, 09 June 2013 - 06:11 PM.

[Wintersdark]

Koniving, on 09 June 2013 - 06:09 PM, said:

My guess is an xbox player jumping from CoD. There's a number of things in the OP's chat history suggesting a young age. Aiming for around 150 dollars for a computer also suggests high experience (and expectations) with consoles. Claiming to read a guide that took me 13 minutes to skim within 2 minutes of being told about it... let's just say any help we do provide will need to be overly simplified and/or with detailed explanation for someone with little to no knowledge of computers and a very small budget.

My computer was 1,277 at the time I bought it. It's considered to be outdated the moment I got it, and now might run about 900 for the same stuff. Even then it required post-purchase enhancements (mainly ram since 4 gigs of RAM is NOT enough to run a decent graphics card let alone two of them).

System ram has little to do with what video cards you're running, discrete cards have their own RAM for a reason.

You could run MWO just fine with 4gb. I still wouldn't recommend it, of course - ram is dirty cheap, may as well rock 8.

My system cost me $500 to build 5 years ago. Since then, I've replaced the GPU and installed another 4 gb ram and an SSD as a system drive, but otherwise it's the same. It runs everything at maxed settings at 45+fps (and only below 60fps for really high end games with modded settings, such as Skyrim with all manner of ENB post processing love.)

People spend more than they need in a lot of places, because they often don't really realise what is and isn't needed.

Of course, it depends if you've got an existing machine or not, so you've already got a keyboard, mouse, monitor, etc. That can tack a lot on to the price. But seriously, $500-600 will get you a gaming rig capable to playing any current game at the best detail without trouble if you've got a donor PC for peripherals and such.

With all that said... You're absolutely right that none of this is really going to help the OP: (S)he lacks the knowledge to build a PC, and thus also what's needed to pick a good deal on a used machine - and will need a pre-built system.

[Koniving]

Wintersdark, on 09 June 2013 - 06:47 PM, said:

System ram has little to do with what video cards you're running, discrete cards have their own RAM for a reason.

Normally I would agree. However when I first tried to run BF3 on ultra settings with the new cards, I'd fall through the map and crash. Every time. Single player worked fine, but MP would do that every time. Getting upgraded to 16 gigs of ram fixed the issue (essentially with 4 gigs of ram + two video cards with 1 gig vram each leave my computer without enough ram to stay connected to the game with ultra settings; after the upgrade to 16 gigs and no other changes I was able to play fine).

[Wintersdark]

Koniving, on 09 June 2013 - 07:19 PM, said:

Normally I would agree. However when I first tried to run BF3 on ultra settings with the new cards, I'd fall through the map and crash. Every time. Single player worked fine, but MP would do that every time. Getting upgraded to 16 gigs of ram fixed the issue (essentially with 4 gigs of ram + two video cards with 1 gig vram each leave my computer without enough ram to stay connected to the game with ultra settings; after the upgrade to 16 gigs and no other changes I was able to play fine).

Could have to do with BF3 having a funky Crossfire/SLI implementation. That's really not normal behaviour, and indicates the game is doing something really strange. In fact, in most cases your in game settings shouldn't significantly impact system ram usage at all.

MWO, for example, never even reaches 2gb of ram in use for me, with one or two cards - I was running an SLI setup with a pair of 460's before upgrading. It's a 32 bit app, so it's going to be unable to use more than 4gb anyways(yes, there are exceptions and ways around that, but they are irrelevant here).

[Catamount]

Wintersdark, on 09 June 2013 - 07:25 PM, said:

Could have to do with BF3 having a funky Crossfire/SLI implementation. That's really not normal behaviour, and indicates the game is doing something really strange. In fact, in most cases your in game settings shouldn't significantly impact system ram usage at all.

MWO, for example, never even reaches 2gb of ram in use for me, with one or two cards - I was running an SLI setup with a pair of 460's before upgrading. It's a 32 bit app, so it's going to be unable to use more than 4gb anyways(yes, there are exceptions and ways around that, but they are irrelevant here).

In fact the limit is even stricter than that. 32-bit applications are limited to 2GB, not 4. Windows imposes that limit on any 32-bit application that isn't large-address-aware. So MWO and BF3 not only don't utilize more than 2GB, they can't. They would crash if they tried because the OS would refuse to allocate it.

4GB is ample for gaming. New systems should get 8 because it's cheap future proofing, but it's not needed yet. I run MWO on an old 4GB kit in my current machine; the 7970 and 3570k still breeze through it on very high

[HOO344]

I found an old desktop in the basement that works I'm gonna try it out

[Lordred]

I've got a shiny, 8800GTS I can sell you.

It's only 6 years old.

Spoiler

[ICUBurn]

and this is why my brother is getting a computer built by himself with parts ive picked out and paid for out of his alowance and birthday and christmas money (roughly $350-$400) with another $300 being kicked in by me and probly another $150-$200 being put in by my mom and our grandparents to be a decent rig. Im supplying the guidence hes going to do the actual building of it in a couple weeks when i go and pick him up for the summer. hes getting an asus M5a99fx mobo with a slightly older Phenom2 x4 965BE(got it for $80 off newweg on sale) 8 gigs of ram a $50 case and i believe we are going the rout of a 7850 posibly a 7870 for vid card. the point of the build was stay resably lower cost but with very good components and needing minimal upgrading in the next couple years.

Edited by ICUBurn, 11 June 2013 - 01:51 PM.