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[Hotthedd]

Pando, on 14 June 2013 - 10:17 PM, said:

None have been created to my knowledge. If I were to create a thread pro 1st person view after 3rd person view is implemented highlighting the pros and cons of each I would be trolled, flamed and spammed with hate-mail from the angry 3,000 minority. It is asinine at best to assume 3,000 people represent 480,000 people. It is absurdly moronic at worst.

No. It is asinine to think that 150 people (the 5% in favor of 3PV) represent 480,000 people err, I mean ACCOUNTS.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

I'm honestly at the point where I'm over MW:O. I'll play a few hours a week because it's free. But my expectations and cash expenditures are down the toilet.

My real hope is someone will come up with a MW:O clone. Make their own mechs, but have it obviously be inspired by Mechwarrior. And make good decisions. I'll come play that.

[Windies]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 16 June 2013 - 07:01 AM, said:

I'm honestly at the point where I'm over MW:O. I'll play a few hours a week because it's free. But my expectations and cash expenditures are down the toilet.

My real hope is someone will come up with a MW:O clone. Make their own mechs, but have it obviously be inspired by Mechwarrior. And make good decisions. I'll come play that.

Pretty much the same. It's good for maybe a half hour and then it gets old and boring real quick.

Farpenoodle, on 16 June 2013 - 06:50 AM, said:

Jesus christ. People actually think 3PV is going to be the default in normal mode.

/wrists

Read the answer again. Normal mode will be mixed 3pv and 1pv while hardcore will be 1pv only. Whether you choose it or not, 3pv will be default in normal mode.

Most of the worry comes from the fact that splitting the community along lines like this is never good. Even a developer said that. So it's pretty much going to come down to the point where PGI either wants to embrace 3pv as the norm, or get rid of it. What do you think they're going to choose? There's a huge quiet minority out there clamoring for 3pv apparently. I've yet to see or hear them, I guess PGI is just that in tune with their community....

Edited by Windies, 16 June 2013 - 07:31 AM.

[Sug]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 16 June 2013 - 07:01 AM, said:

My real hope is someone will come up with a MW:O clone. Make their own mechs, but have it obviously be inspired by Mechwarrior. And make good decisions. I'll come play that.

Got my hopes up with the Heavy Gear kickstarter but they're about $750,000 away from their $800,000 goal with 12 days left so....

yeah.


edit: lol How big a {Richard Cameron} would I be if I pledged like $749,000 ten seconds before their funding period ended?

Oooooo sorry guys. So close.

edit2: Whoa since when does {Richard Cameron} become {Richard Cameron}?

let me try other words. **** *** **** **** ***** **** {LT-MOB-25} ******* ****** ************

edit3: wtf is LT-MOB-25????

edit4: http://ironwindmetal...roducts_id=1853

http://www.sarna.net...Mobile_Long_Tom

What is happening??

edit5: Synonym for rooster = Long Tom Cannon I like where your head's at pgi.

Edited by Sug, 16 June 2013 - 07:40 AM.

[armyof1]

Sug, on 16 June 2013 - 07:29 AM, said:

Got my hopes up with the Heavy Gear kickstarter but they're about $750,000 away from their $800,000 goal with 12 days left so....

yeah.


lol How big a {Richard Cameron} would I be if I pledged like $749,000 ten seconds before their funding period ending.

Oooooo sorry guys. So close.

I think PGI has sucked out all the money from people wanting to play big stomping robots already, too little faith left in another company doing something similar.

[Farpenoodle]

Windies, on 16 June 2013 - 07:28 AM, said:

Read the answer again. Normal mode will be mixed 3pv and 1pv while hardcore will be 1pv only. Whether you choose it or not, 3pv will be default in normal mode.

Or it could be a toggle that defaults to 1PV. Like every other Mechwarrior game ever.

Normal just means you have the option to play in 3PV. NOTHING is said about making it default. Christ.

Edited by Farpenoodle, 16 June 2013 - 07:49 AM.

[Lonestar1771]

Scarcer, on 15 June 2013 - 09:39 PM, said:

You lack reading comprehension.
A few details (things that did happen) do not legitimize further hyperbole.

PGI reversed their original statements =/= therefore the game is a failure.

Ha ha, he he, I'm so clever for actually reading between the lines.
seriously is it really that hard to think things through before forming a conclusion/reaction? I must be a freak of nature then; I'm so embarrassed.

At least we get to actually try them out on the test servers before actual implementations are made and give PGI our then EDUCATED opinions instead of chirping like dingbats before anything has actually been shown.




On the contrary; that is one reversal I'm excited for.

Using the word "hyperbole" over and over again does not make you any more right. Those things I listed in my initial post are fact with a few small exceptions (their monetary situation is obviously probably closer to truth, but we probably will never know and my opinions of some aspects of the game are shared by many) .

Instead of saying that I'm just wrong how about listing the things that are not fact and we can discuss those.

It's PGI's actions that are proof the game is in trouble. Why add 3pv, after going out their way to say "we aren't going to do that" if the game was successful and growing? The community is unhappy and has been unhappy for a while and told PGI so. PGI's response was to fracture the forum in to many different subforums so as to make it harder to complain in a unified manner and to lessen the visibility of said complaints. What other reason would they need to nuke the forums such as they did?

Edited by Lonestar1771, 16 June 2013 - 07:52 AM.

[armyof1]

Farpenoodle, on 16 June 2013 - 07:43 AM, said:

Or it could be a toggle that defaults to 1PV. Like every other Mechwarrior game ever.

Normal just means you have the option to play in 3PV. NOTHING is said about making it default. Christ.

Well I'd like you to point out how many games that defaults to "hardcore mode" instead of "normal mode".

[Farpenoodle]

armyof1, on 16 June 2013 - 07:59 AM, said:

Well I'd like you to point out how many games that defaults to "hardcore mode" instead of "normal mode".

Which apparently doesn't include any of the older MW games which are apparently waaaaaaaaay better than this one.

[armyof1]

Farpenoodle, on 16 June 2013 - 08:01 AM, said:

Which apparently doesn't include any of the older MW games which are apparently waaaaaaaaay better than this one.

You didn't answer the question. Wait let me add a questionmark there to make it more clear: Well I'd like you to point out how many games that defaults to "hardcore mode" instead of "normal mode" ?

Edited by armyof1, 16 June 2013 - 08:03 AM.

[Farpenoodle]

Wait wait wait. I think we're not even on the same page here. I'm going to answer what you actually asked. No games default to hardcore mode. But that's irrelevant and you're acting like normal mode means 3PV only. Let's clarify.

Normal mode: Let's you play in EITHER 1PV or 3PV.

Hardcore mode: 1PV only.

How is it 3PV is the default and encouraged format to play in if (in all likelihood) you'll be dropped into 1PV first before you can toggle into 3PV? If anything people are encouraged to move to 1PV even if they prefer 3PV because the higher tiers of CW matches will be hardcore only.

Edited by Farpenoodle, 16 June 2013 - 08:18 AM.

[armyof1]

Let's be a bit realistic here, the devs have worked some time to get this new 3pv to work and to expect it not be the default mode since it's the new content the devs think will bring in so many new players is pretty naive. They even made the horrible things like throttle decay become default, why in the world would anyone expect they made 3pv to be hidden as something you need to turn on or actively choose? Or maybe you really believe Bryan (I think it was) was the only one working on 3pv instead of realistically a whole team of people? If that's so I don't think I have anything else worth saying to try and convince you.

Edited by armyof1, 16 June 2013 - 08:27 AM.

[Farpenoodle]

To be frank I'm not interested in discussing this either. I think you'd have to be pretty mental to imagine that 3PV is what they want you to play in when there's clear evidence to the contrary with the CW thing and the way they've constructed the game so far. Or maybe the developers really don't want you to buy shiny cockpit items and pointlessly make challenges for said items.

[armyof1]

Farpenoodle, on 16 June 2013 - 08:32 AM, said:

To be frank I'm not interested in discussing this either. I think you'd have to be pretty mental to imagine that 3PV is what they want you to play in when there's clear evidence to the contrary with the CW thing and the way they've constructed the game so far. Or maybe the developers really don't want you to buy shiny cockpit items and pointlessly make challenges for said items.

Ok so you're saying they made a whole new view mode that they don't want you to play in? Are you serious? And do you actually believe 3pv will be excluded from CW, after all this successive backtracking with 3pv that we've been through? Yeah ok, now I do give up.

[ICEFANG13]

I think you'd be pretty mental to trust someone who says that 3rd person isn't going to be in the game and they put it in. Most players will use it?

Why would they make it hard to use or find and not default if its designed to help new players? Of course it will be the norm in 3rd and 1st person games, people don't click on that one and say, gee I hope I can play with the disadvantageous 1PV against 3PV players.

[Farpenoodle]

armyof1, on 16 June 2013 - 08:35 AM, said:

Ok so you're saying they made a whole new view mode that they don't want you to play in? Are you serious? And do you actually believe 3pv will be excluded from CW, after all this successive backtracking with 3pv that we've been through? Yeah ok, now I do give up.

Wow where did I say that? Cool. You can read things that don't exist into others posts just as you do with the ATD. *clap clap*

Only the top tier of CW matches will exclude 3PV. And you know what? If you hate 3PV so much you can just play there unless apparently nobody is going to play the most interesting parts of CW

ICEFANG13, on 16 June 2013 - 08:36 AM, said:

Why would they make it hard to use or find and not default if its designed to help new players? Of course it will be the norm in 3rd and 1st person games, people don't click on that one and say, gee I hope I can play with the disadvantageous 1PV against 3PV players.

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Because it was the default view in MW2 and MW3 because it was better than playing 1PV in those games right?

Edited by Farpenoodle, 16 June 2013 - 08:44 AM.

[Gremlich Johns]

JokerVictor, on 15 June 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

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[/color]The survey questions range from "is xy satisfying" or "rate how well you feel this mechanic works" to "any feature you want to see in game?" with a text box.[color=#959595] [/color]I know the game will be launching soon, but even after launch, a community survey about features being tested or that are currently "issues" could help the devs in getting a better feel for what the community feels without all the forum rage.
[color=#959595]A: We are doing this. We just haven’t sent one out to certain demographics of players yet.

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Why has no one mentioned this on the forums? What 'demographic' are your active forum members?

I certainly haven't had any feedback forms emailed to me.

As far as I know, they have NOT engaged in this customer survey which they say they have. Could be it is being sent only to those they believe will support their POV/strategy/query.

[Scarcer]

Lonestar1771, on 16 June 2013 - 07:51 AM, said:

Using the word "hyperbole" over and over again does not make you any more right. Those things I listed in my initial post are fact with a few small exceptions (their monetary situation is obviously probably closer to truth, but we probably will never know and my opinions of some aspects of the game are shared by many) .

Instead of saying that I'm just wrong how about listing the things that are not fact and we can discuss those.

It's PGI's actions that are proof the game is in trouble. Why add 3pv, after going out their way to say "we aren't going to do that" if the game was successful and growing? The community is unhappy and has been unhappy for a while and told PGI so. PGI's response was to fracture the forum in to many different subforums so as to make it harder to complain in a unified manner and to lessen the visibility of said complaints. What other reason would they need to nuke the forums such as they did?

I used the term a few times because it fits exactly how half the people on here are communicating; so addressing my use of a single word doesn't legitimize your argument against it; it's like trying to punch water. A dozen individuals complaining on the forums do not represent the majority of the games community. How about you go into a match and bring it up; really I have, almost no one cares.

It screams self entitlement; while simultaneously ignoring the fact PGI has IGP's hand and Microsoft up their ***.

Sure, it's silly that they are using resources for 3PV when they already have their team divided up working on Community Warfare, Clan Content, having to rebuild half an engine, and they have little more to show then a game with amazing models but less content when compared to MW:LL...

But all-in-all I'm not defending every action PGI makes; but the amount of impatience and lack of forethought is shallow.

Sure, criticize PGI, criticize them a lot, because they have responded as many times as they haven't (more communication with community, reversing changes, hot-fixes, discussing U.I. 2.0 in great detail etc etc; all because that's what people wanted); but don't be quivering ******, and the exaggerations need to stop. If half of the people here communicated like this in higher-education they would fail miserably and for good reason.

Edited by Scarcer, 16 June 2013 - 08:50 AM.

[Deathlike]

Gremlich Johns, on 16 June 2013 - 08:40 AM, said:

As far as I know, they have NOT engaged in this customer survey which they say they have. Could be it is being sent only to those they believe will support their POV/strategy/query.

Well, they did confirm themselves through some post (ATD or 3rd person post) about their retention issues and came to "that conclusion" that 3rd person was required... instead of the tutorial which has been repeated ad nauseum.

So, I'm sure we can blame everyone that "couldn't figure out how to drive the mech", or we could have more "steering wheel underhive" vids.

[armyof1]

Farpenoodle, on 16 June 2013 - 08:40 AM, said:

Wow where did I say that? Cool. You can read things that don't exists into others posts just as you do with the ATD. *clap clap*

Only the top tier of CW matches will exclude 3PV. And you know what? If you hate 3PV so much you can just play there unless apparently nobody is going to play the most interesting parts of CW.

Do you even read what you post?

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I think you'd have to be pretty mental to imagine that 3PV is what they want you to play in when there's clear evidence to the contrary with the CW thing and the way they've constructed the game so far. Or maybe the developers really don't want you to buy shiny cockpit items and pointlessly make challenges for said items.

How does that which you wrote not say that they would like you to stay away from 3pv, since you're saying 3pv is not what they want us to play?

Edited by armyof1, 16 June 2013 - 08:48 AM.