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[JC Daxion]

Ok I'm a HBK player..

I have my 4SP, and really wanna test SRM4's, and SRM6's.. Both with an with out Atemis... I have barely 2m... swaping in and out,, is gonna cost me easy 3m in the next week...


Can you either give me some cash, Or..... Make it so once you buy artemis, is does not cost you to switch back and forth..

I get when this goes live you might want to charge.... But to make us players spend millions to test.. is just not right..


I promise this is to test on my HBK....


If you want to charge us to get heatsinks, artemis, internal... fine... Just don't charge us to go back.. at least till this goes out of beta...


I really want to play with SRM's, 4+6's, combos, and artemis.. But to charge me millions to do so just does not seam right...


BTW, loving the game so far...

[Koniving]

Cbills can't be transferred. While testing, do some live testing to earn the cbills lost, and then when you swap back do some more testing to win back the cbills lost. Now you know why I'm broke all the time.

[Mazzyplz]

i have 90 million cbills, wish i could give you some , will spend some on the orion when the time comes.

but seriously, you should wait because PGI is always giving away premium time, i still have a day i haven't activated and i think i have cashed into the premium time thing 3 times already, so it's not uncommon for pgi to give you premium time for 1 day

(4 free)

Edited by Mazzyplz, 12 June 2013 - 09:14 PM.

[Haruspex Pariah]

It's a bit weird that you can switch all other components between storage and your mech (including the engine) but you have to pay for internal changes each time. What did you do with your old heat sinks? Stack them up and set them on fire?

[Mazzyplz]

also, i don't know if this actually saves money, but i noticed when you switch your single heatsink for double the ones on your mech just dissapear?
so what i do is first sell all the heatsinks individually, and then pay for the double heatsink upgrade, when i buy a mech..
i don't know if this is necesary, but i prefer playin it safe, well.. back when i was broke

[The Cheese]

Let me save you some cash and tell you that Artemis SRMs are always better than non-Artemis SRMs.

Mazzyplz, on 12 June 2013 - 09:21 PM, said:

also, i don't know if this actually saves money, but i noticed when you switch your single heatsink for double the ones on your mech just dissapear?
so what i do is first sell all the heatsinks individually, and then pay for the double heatsink upgrade, when i buy a mech..
i don't know if this is necesary, but i prefer playin it safe, well.. back when i was broke

Haruspex Pariah, on 12 June 2013 - 09:19 PM, said:

It's a bit weird that you can switch all other components between storage and your mech (including the engine) but you have to pay for internal changes each time. What did you do with your old heat sinks? Stack them up and set them on fire?

They don't disappear. They are automatically removed from the mech and put into your stockpile. From there, you can sell them or install the into other mechs.

I believe the rationale behind charging you every time you switch is that you're paying for the cost of installation/removal. It's supposed to be a money sink intended to control people's bank accounts, but it only really hurts newer players.

Edited by The Cheese, 12 June 2013 - 10:16 PM.

[wintercold]

3 Million C-bills can't really get you anywhere . 1 Seismic Sensor alone costs 6 million C-bills, I have the pilot skill unlocked. Just can't spare the c-bills to buy the actual component.

[scJazz]

wintercold, on 12 June 2013 - 10:46 PM, said:

3 Million C-bills can't really get you anywhere . 1 Seismic Sensor alone costs 6 million C-bills, I have the pilot skill unlocked. Just can't spare the c-bills to buy the actual component.

I started 5 weeks ago... I have 14000 GXP. I've been grinding for this will be the 6th day in my Cat-A1 so I can buy the 3rd Cataphract chassis the 3D at ~10m. I have no freaking idea when if ever I'll be able to afford modules On the other hand I now have 52000 XP stored up in that Cat

[NinetyProof]

No ...

As others have stated, you can't transfer CBills to anybody else. The problem is really that your in a medium and that medium doesn't have the elite skills so that means it's not as *effective* as it should be. Between being in a medium and being less effective, your going to stuggle with generating CBills.

1) You don't need to experiement, others have done that for you. If your doing SRM6, add artemis ... if your doing 4's don't.
http://www.mechspecs...MPLas-2xSRM6-A)

There is a link to a site with specs ... smurfy is down right now, but it should return soon.

2) Unlock Master (have to buy 3 of the same chassis and level them up). On the way to unlocking, you get speed tweak ... and once you unlock master, all your *basic* skills get doubled. This is fairly important for being competitive. There is a HUGE difference between two mechs that have the exact same load out, but one is fresh and the other has unlocked master. Basically, the mastered one will obilerated the fresh mech.

3) If you like the game, buy 30 days of premium time ... this will make the CB/XP's roll in faster so you can actually master things faster.

4) Think about saving for larger mechs that will earn more CB's faster ... stalker is a good choice. Be prepared to spend like 18millon to buy the chassis and retro fit it to a decent load out ... and your going to have to buy 3 to unlock master.

Yes, upgrades / downgrades like double heat sinks, artemis, endo, ferros are all "money sinks" ... but it's not that bad once you have some decent mechs ... running premium time on a good mech will generally net you $150-$225k per match ... more or less depending upon how you perform and if you win or lose.

[CmdrPoopyPants]

The point, actually, is to play to earn cash. Now, I understand you want to "try out different stuff".. but at some point you need to do your research by reading and learning from other people's experience. With/out artemis? on both 4s and 6s? and swapping back and forth?.. how about this.. but some 4s, try them.. switch to 6s and see if you feel like you're doing batter (and hit the stats page to verify, maybe.. http://mwomercs.com/...ats?type=weapon ).. then put on artemis and put on your 4s (you don't need to buy new launchers, the cost of upgrading to artemis is for -all- your launchers, in effect). Try the 6s.. go back to the 4s.. none of that swapping costs money.

The only issue you'll have is if you can run the same build with artemis as without, and 99% of the time the answer is "no" because artemis takes up weight/slots on the launchers. That's what smurfy's is for.

And generally speaking, artemis isn't much use on SRM4s.. a little help on 6s, but mostly used for LRMs.. Personally, I've not noticed much of a difference with and without, other than slightly faster lock times.. but -generally- that's not a game changer.

[Galen Crayn]

I make 10 Million in 2 days. What are you doing wrong? Ah, i dont use a hero mech for it. For SRM i wouldnt use Artemis. Never saw a difference... With LRM? Yes, absolutly yes!

Edited by Galen Crayn, 13 June 2013 - 02:37 PM.

[Redshift2k5]

The time for such garage testing is long over.

The closed beta is a place where one can expect resets and free currency for the sake of testing things, open betas in this day and age typically never offer resets or money for "testing".

MWO's last reset (the last reset ever) was in October of 2012, and no free money for testing things will be given out.

There will be a public test server eventually, although we do not yet know when or how one will be able to enter this test server, but if we get one and if you can get in, that would be an ideal place to make such a comparison.

[JC Daxion]

actually asking for 3m C-bills was kinda joke directed at PGI..


the point of the post is i really don't think in beta you should have to be spending 700k every time you want to test with artemis on or off..

there is nothing else that you have to spend that kinda money on to test. DBH, and structure are typically buy, and leave on.. FF might be the only one that you might take on and off to try different load outs, and that cost is less than half of the artemis.

every weapon you buy once and use it on any mech you like, with zero cost to install.


Buy it once, Let us swap for free.. when the game goes live, turn it back if you like..

But they have patches SRM's 3 times in what the last month or soo? each time they work a bit differently, the last patch was a major change to them..


others can say what they think, But until you try it for yourself, you really don't see the full effects or what works for you personally.. and really isn't that the point of playing the game>

Edited by JC Daxion, 13 June 2013 - 11:29 PM.

[JC Daxion]

Galen Crayn, on 13 June 2013 - 02:19 PM, said:

I make 10 Million in 2 days. What are you doing wrong?

well i play PUG's, so win loss is hit or miss.. i average about 100k per match, obvoiusly a win is more, and a loss is less, but they even out.. so that would mean i would have to play about 100 matches to make that much cash.. and the amount i play that would be about 2-3 weeks time...

Edited by JC Daxion, 13 June 2013 - 11:30 PM.

[Y2kHippy]

JC Daxion Member Since 04 Nov 2011 is in the profile... I average 1.25 mil C-bills a hour. So if your only getting 100k per match and you have been around since closed Beta... you might need some training and coaching.

Artemis + Ferros Fibre + Endo Steel are NOT weapons or ammo. They are an entire mech refurbishment and refit. So if you do not like this do not use them. The fact is that you will waste some money here and there while testing out or optimising builds and that is the nature of the game itself. There are outside build sites like Smurfys and a heap of reference and player experience material out there to guide your choices with. But when it comes down to it, its your choice and your mech on the battlefield. And that's what makes this game enjoyable. I have friends who run almost identical builds than I do expect the position of Ammo Storage. They try shooting my legs off to blow them up and I now know why.

If your just bitching about the Grinding of a closed beta... grow up.. You have been here for longer than most and still want to complain. Just go elsewhere if you do not like it.

Edited by Y2kHippy, 14 June 2013 - 02:26 AM.

[JackPoint]

Mazzyplz, on 12 June 2013 - 09:09 PM, said:

i have 90 million cbills, wish i could give you some , will spend some on the orion when the time comes.

but seriously, you should wait because PGI is always giving away premium time, i still have a day i haven't activated and i think i have cashed into the premium time thing 3 times already, so it's not uncommon for pgi to give you premium time for 1 day

(4 free)

Same position as you, sat on a kings ransom waiting for Orion Victor to blow 100m

[Redshift2k5]

At this point you are not testing anything. You are playing. When they open a public test server in some form, then players will again be in a position to actually test, and will, I presume, come with currency to test with.

[Corvus Antaka]

Buy premium time.

[Buckminster]

Y2kHippy, on 14 June 2013 - 02:20 AM, said:

JC Daxion Member Since 04 Nov 2011 is in the profile... I average 1.25 mil C-bills a hour. So if your only getting 100k per match and you have been around since closed Beta... you might need some training and coaching.

Or maybe he can't play all the time. I've been in since lat April, and I still only manage around 100k a match. Most of that is because I just can't play that often - between work and family I'm lucky if I can get 2-3 matches in on any given day. Let me tell you, when a good day of play means 5 wins, the millions of c-bills that some upgrades (and modules) require seem a long way off.

[CarnifexMaximus]

Artemis SRMs are 100% worth it. But it is frustrating as Artemis brings a very specific improvement to a weapon system's performance whereas endo or FF's benefits and disadvantages are clearly obvious in the Mechlab (you can see tonnage freed vs crits used).

If you feel like you can take the Artemis without giving up or neglecting other aspects of your build do it. Being able to pinpoint that highlander's red crit right torso at 270 m vs firing a random ******* of missiles that may not hit your intended target makes all the difference in a brawl.