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[Galen Crayn]

I await NOTHING good, an ugly mech, a horrible fix of the Pulse Laser...

[Zerberus]

HighlandCoo, on 18 June 2013 - 07:39 AM, said:

The last time they said they had a "big announcement", it turned out to be a screenshot of Canyon Map.

I'm not holding my breath.

Then again, for teh majority of the playerbase, people that do not frequent the forums, it asctually was a significant (though not "big) announcement, as for them it was the first they saw of the Map. Nonetheless, I agree that it was very awkwardly handled and was absolutely no biggie for forum regulars...

I can only hope they learned that telling the forum there is a "big announcement" essentially needs to mean "This is something that you have never seen or heard of, or something that you have been waiting for for a long time, or is at the very least a game changer", becasue showing people things that they already know about and telling them" it`s really cool and new" is disappointing at best.

What will the patch bring? Primarily new QQ about new and old issues, most perceived and not factually true, but some actually real. Quickdraw OP /UP /ugly QQ (likely laced with "Why didn`t you give us the orion?" QQ), SSRM OP /useless QQ, Pulse laser OP /useless QQ, "Where is the boating nerf you promised us (which they never did for this patch) QQ" .... so on and so forth. The first wave of it will hit in about 35 minutes, when teh servers go down and the first people have started (but not finished) DLin teh update, long before the servers come back online.

Sometimes I think this forum`s tagline needs to be "QQing about everythign every second Tuesday since 29.10.2012". Generally speaking, I think that more or less every second Tuesday

Edited by Zerberus, 18 June 2013 - 08:25 AM.

[Tarrasque]

Stoicblitzer, on 18 June 2013 - 08:01 AM, said:

Fair enough. I hate to see so much potential squandered. Life is so short and it could be another 5-10 years before another dev gives MW a try.

Thuzel, on 18 June 2013 - 08:02 AM, said:

Meh, there are other things in our lives, but any BT based game will have a special place just because I've played it for so long with so many friends.

Honestly, true wisdom is not to have any expectations at all. But if you can't do that, having low expectations is the next best thing, especially when there's a track record like PGI's involved.

I'm glad no one flew off the handle with a response, as mine was relatively tongue-in-cheek; I just hate seeing so much negativity and vitriol over what ultimately is just a timesink (ostensibly for fun).

I am a long time BT/MW player, so believe me, the feeling of wanting things to go right here is mutual. I just know that a LOT of us are grown men and women, and I like to espouse the path of patience when it comes to expectations for a video game (especially one we all support and love).

[Acid Phase]

Sybreed, on 18 June 2013 - 07:38 AM, said:

Russ said they had some big announcement for after E3. Who knows, it could be about CW...

Like I said before when we (forum members) were waiting for the very cryptic Canyon Map announcement.

Acid Phase, on 23 April 2013 - 08:01 AM, said:

I hope it's more like "We've handed the franchise over to more capable hands"

I would enjoy that very much.

[Thuzel]

Tarrasque, on 18 June 2013 - 08:15 AM, said:

I'm glad no one flew off the handle with a response, as mine was relatively tongue-in-cheek; I just hate seeing so much negativity and vitriol over what ultimately is just a timesink (ostensibly for fun).

I am a long time BT/MW player, so believe me, the feeling of wanting things to go right here is mutual. I just know that a LOT of us are grown men and women, and I like to espouse the path of patience when it comes to expectations for a video game (especially one we all support and love).

It's like going out for dinner. A lot of reasonable voices with screaming kids in the background.

[Multitallented]

Thuzel, on 18 June 2013 - 08:38 AM, said:

It's like going out for dinner. A lot of reasonable voices with screaming kids in the background.

That sort of thing happens when you have a lot of dissatisfied investors.

[Zerberus]

Thuzel, on 18 June 2013 - 08:38 AM, said:

It's like going out for dinner. A lot of reasonable voices with screaming kids in the background.

...and jumping up and down on the tables

Multitallented, on 18 June 2013 - 08:45 AM, said:

That sort of thing happens when you have a lot of dissatisfied investors.

When you have unsatisfied INVESTORS, your stock value goes down, or people start asking for their share of the company to be paid out (essentially the same thing). This direcly lowers the value of the company and it`s financial reserves /disposable funds. This generally happens with a huge amount of silence unless you have simultaneously done something to generate outrage in the general public specifically about your company.

The word "investor" implies that you actually own part of the company and have a title to prove it, be that a signed and dated IOU, a partnership agreement, or a stack of bonds.. That accurately describes nobody in this case. This is made even more obvious by investors generally not screaming bad things about thier investments in public, because it significantly reduces the chance of their investment ever getting returned, much less appreciating in value, simply by seeding distrust in the company they own part of.

In reality, is unsatisfied CUSTOMERS who feel that they are somehow entitled to something (and therefore make irrational mistakes like considering themselves investors) that turn the restaurant into Night at the Museum.

Edited by Zerberus, 18 June 2013 - 08:58 AM.

[Thuzel]

Multitallented, on 18 June 2013 - 08:45 AM, said:

That sort of thing happens when you have a lot of dissatisfied investors.

Kills me that I'd love to argue that, but I can't. PGI has indeed caused a lot of it themselves...

Though I would say that a lot of us should probably be old enough to know better.

[Sybreed]

Braggart, on 18 June 2013 - 07:58 AM, said:

4 ppc is very viable. Its what i rock in my dragon. nothing like a 90 KPH flanking alpha.

I look very much towards the Quickdraw though. It has way better hardpoints, and from the looks, better hitboxes. It might not be able to run an XL very well though, time will tell.

yup! Thank god PGI made the Dragon obsolete for good! I mean, that's how it's supposed to go right? Release new mechs, make old ones obsolete?

[Thuzel]

Zerberus, on 18 June 2013 - 08:46 AM, said:

...and jumping up and down on the tables

Man where do you eat?! Step up from Chuck E Cheese's

[Zerberus]

Thuzel, on 18 June 2013 - 08:51 AM, said:

Man where do you eat?! Step up from Chuck E Cheese's

We don`t have Chuck E Cheese in Germany, and it sounds like we don`t need it, either.

But just to clarify, are you sure we`re reading the same forums?

[InRev]

Zerberus, on 18 June 2013 - 08:46 AM, said:

The word "investor" implies that you actually own part of the company and have a title to prove it, be that a signed and dated IOU, a partnership agreement, or a stack of bonds.. That accurately describes nobody in this case. This is made even more obvious by investors generally not screaming bad things about thier investments in public, because it significantly reduces the chance of their investment ever getting returned, much less appreciating in value, simply by seeding distrust in the company they own part of.

Not to be a pedant, but you're technically speaking about shareholders. Buying shares is a form of investment, but it is not the only one. Crowdfunding, bank loans, even gambling are forms of "investment" as it simply means money put in with an expected return.

The Founders injection was a form of investment as it was an example of crowdfunding. That it wasn't on Kickstarter and was rather pushed directed by the company seeking funding is irrelevant.

Edit note: I really hope I didn't come off the wrong way. I just wanted to clarify that there are many, many different forms of investment and they don't all end with ownership in a company. Crowdfunding has radically altered the way investment works these days, and I feel that many people do not account for the fact that regular Joe Blow can now be an investor, even though he has jack **** in his classic "investment profile".

Edited by InRev, 18 June 2013 - 09:27 AM.

[Stoicblitzer]

no srm buff. at least two more weeks of alphawarrior online. guess i can be excited to destroy all those quickdraws that the collectors are taking out today.

[Homeless Bill]

It tastes like disappointment.

[hammerreborn]

Zerberus, on 18 June 2013 - 09:02 AM, said:

We don`t have Chuck E Cheese in Germany, and it sounds like we don`t need it, either.

But just to clarify, are you sure we`re reading the same forums?

Everyone needs a Chuck E Cheese. It's not fair if only American's suffer anamatronic animal nightmares.

Edited by hammerreborn, 18 June 2013 - 09:47 AM.

[Ihasa]

Apparently even expecting what we were told to expect via the June Creative Director update just three weeks ago is expecting way too much.

[Zerberus]

InRev, on 18 June 2013 - 09:18 AM, said:

Not to be a pedant, but you're technically speaking about shareholders. Buying shares is a form of investment, but it is not the only one. Crowdfunding, bank loans, even gambling are forms of "investment" as it simply means money put in with an expected return.

We`re cool, no issues.

As you state, the "expected return" is the important factor. Anybody that honestly bought a founders expecting to get their money BACK and then some was clearly delusional. They got their money`s WORTH and then some, but the money was forever gone the moment it was transferred. That is not an investment, that is a sale.

Also, if you will reread my post, you will see that it clearly does NOT only reference shareholders (because I fully expected exactly this debate to spring up out of it), but also such things as silent partners and family members lending money.

Edited by Zerberus, 18 June 2013 - 10:36 AM.

[Thuzel]

Zerberus, on 18 June 2013 - 09:02 AM, said:

We don`t have Chuck E Cheese in Germany, and it sounds like we don`t need it, either.

But just to clarify, are you sure we`re reading the same forums?

Some days, I'm not even sure where I live much less which forums I read.

[Zerberus]

BTW, I see the patch notes thread and rest my case...It was originally posted in Jest, but.....

[PropagandaWar]

Stoicblitzer, on 18 June 2013 - 09:25 AM, said:

no srm buff. at least two more weeks of alphawarrior online. guess i can be excited to destroy all those quickdraws that the collectors are taking out today.

umm after them saying they were going to buff for over a month now I doubt we are getting it at all.