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[Kraven Kor]

I don't care if you add 3PV.

What I care about is not having to play MWO in 3PV, nor do I want to be in FPV and playing against 3PV.

Nothing has convinced me that 3PV will not provide the tactical benefits we have feared it would add.

So now, the latest ATD says 3PV will now be "hardcore mode" and 3PV matches will have to be scheduled and, well, this won't work for me.

I don't live a life that can be scheduled.

I want to jump on MWO, when I feel like jumping on and playing, when I have the time. I am not hardcore; I do not belong in the 8v8 competitive queue, I will never be one of the best of the best.

So if I am reading this right, I will have no good choice left to me:

Play in the hardcore, FPV queue and get my *** handed to me until I'm driven to quit in shame, or play in the general queue and face others using 3PV.

This is not a good thing. Not that anyone cares, mind you, but I had to say something.

[Lokust Davion]

PGI really needs to switch "Hardcore/1pv" to "Normal" and switch "Normal/3pv" to "Trainee".

Edited by Lokust Davion, 17 June 2013 - 09:14 AM.

[PEEFsmash]

Kraven Kor, on 17 June 2013 - 09:07 AM, said:

Play in the hardcore, FPV queue and get my *** handed to me until I'm driven to quit in shame, or play in the general queue and face others using 3PV.

There are many good reasons to dislike this 3PV move by PGI. If FPV turns into a "hardcore" mode, then we should all rejoice. Why? Because then there would be a concentration of good players queing which the game currently lacks. The attitude of "get my *** handed to me until I'm driven to quit in shame" comes from this game's culture of whining/complaining for game fixes instead of a culture of self-improvement and challenge. If you get your *** handed to you, as we all have, rebound, improve your play, figure out what went wrong, and improve. Who plays PvP games just to beat up on people who are bad? We play to overcome challenges presented by real people, and compete.
It saddens me that opinions like the OPs are behind many 3PV complaints. The splitting of an already small community, and the ability to see behind yourself and /over/around cover are the real problems. The last thing we should be worried about (and the first thing we should be encouraging/working toward) is an increase in the skill level of pilots.

Edited by PEEFsmash, 17 June 2013 - 09:27 AM.

[Kraven Kor]

PEEFsmash, on 17 June 2013 - 09:26 AM, said:

There are many good reasons to dislike this 3PV move by PGI. If FPV turns into a "hardcore" mode, then we should all rejoice. Why? Because then there would be a concentration of good players queing which the game currently lacks. The attitude of "get my *** handed to me until I'm driven to quit in shame" comes from this game's culture of whining/complaining for game fixes instead of a culture of self-improvement and challenge. If you get your *** handed to you, as we all have, rebound, improve your play, figure out what went wrong, and improve. Who plays PvP games just to beat up on people who are bad? We play to overcome challenges presented by real people, and compete.
It saddens me that opinions like the OPs are behind many 3PV complaints. The splitting of an already small community, and the ability to see behind yourself and /over/around cover are the real problems. The last thing we should be worried about (and the first thing we should be encouraging/working toward) is an increase in the skill level of pilots.

All I am saying is, I want to log on, and fracking play.

Not schedule matches. Not wait 20 minutes to have the right / enough players.

And I do try to improve; but with 5-10 hours to play per week, I cannot, and will not, be competitive against the guys I run against in 8v8. Not because I have a ****** attitude (I generally don't, for this game at least), but because I cannot, logistically, put in the same amount of training and practice time as the "truly hardcore" players.

I have literally stopped playing 8v8 queue, because no amount of practice is making it any better.

[Nathan Foxbane]

Bryan Ekman, on 14 June 2013 - 03:23 PM, said:

Viper69 : If we are going to be able to choose to play against people using 3PV or not to, how are you going to address the then fractured and smaller groups that then have to wait in queue for a match that meets their perimeters?
A: There will be two modes Normal and Hardcore (FPV) only. We anticipate most players will play the first mode leaving the hardcore mode for the those wanting a challenge. 3PV will be going onto test servers in the next 60 days and we’ll see how it goes from there.

Ghost Badger: How does PGI plan to reconcile Community Warfare matches with 3PV and 1PV? How will they reconcile matches between teams with different preferences? Or do they plan to split the CW mechanic by viewpoint?
A: The plan is to have scheduled matches will be FPV only, since these will be performed between Merc. Units. Regular matches will follow the above rules (Normal/Hardcore).
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Hardcore is likely their name for the FPV only setting. It does not neccessarily mean the players using that setting are all "hardcore" players. They are all just players who want to play in FPV and only against FPV. Though since it looks like they will likely have a larger population of some of the more dedicated Merc. Corp. players.

That said this plea is in the wrong subsection of the forums and there is already a thread for these concerns.

Edited by Nathan Foxbane, 17 June 2013 - 11:15 AM.

[Zerberus]

Kraven Kor, on 17 June 2013 - 09:07 AM, said:

I don't care if you add 3PV.

What I care about is not having to play MWO in 3PV, nor do I want to be in FPV and playing against 3PV.

Nothing has convinced me that 3PV will not provide the tactical benefits we have feared it would add.

So now, the latest ATD says 3PV will now be "hardcore mode" and 3PV matches will have to be scheduled and, well, this won't work for me.

What a way to twist teh devs words and read what you want instead of what was actually said

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3PV
Viper69 : If we are going to be able to choose to play against people using 3PV or not to, how are you going to address the then fractured and smaller groups that then have to wait in queue for a match that meets their perimeters?
A: There will be two modes Normal and Hardcore (FPV) only. We anticipate most players will play the first mode leaving the hardcore mode for the those wanting a challenge. 3PV will be going onto test servers in the next 60 days and we’ll see how it goes from there.

Ghost Badger: How does PGI plan to reconcile Community Warfare matches with 3PV and 1PV? How will they reconcile matches between teams with different preferences? Or do they plan to split the CW mechanic by viewpoint?
A: The plan is to have scheduled matches will be FPV only, since these will be performed between Merc. Units. Regular matches will follow the above rules (Normal/Hardcore).

"Scheduled matches will be FPV only"

This means exactly what it says.

It does not mean "FPV matches will be scheduled only"

All apples are citrus friuts, but not all citrus fruits are apples
Blue is a color, but not all colors are blue
A mustang is a car, but not all cars are mustangs.
All F-16s are airplanes, but not all airplanes are F-16s

I can go on for days if you need further analogic examples of why your thread was a fail before you even pressed "post".

Edited by Zerberus, 17 June 2013 - 11:32 AM.

[Odnir]

Calling it Hardcore just gives newcomes a bad impression and keeps it from being recognized by newcomers as the true default that it should be. I feel bad for the Founders who were sold on a modern multiplayer sim like MechWarrior 2 but are slowly starting to get MechAssault instead.

[John MatriX82]

What bugs me most is that right now matchmaker screws several matches with total weight and player skill unbalance, with the introduction of 3pv vs Hardcore modes, the number of players for the MM to chose will tighten up and things will probably get worse than they are now.

It's a really bad move, countered by the whole community, and it looks like we'll all have to see what happens and evaluate whether to "digest" it or not.

[Alex Warden]

Lokust Davion, on 17 June 2013 - 09:14 AM, said:

PGI really needs to switch "Hardcore/1pv" to "Normal" and switch "Normal/3pv" to "Trainee".

indeed...and to be honest, the way they phrased their answers in that ATD felt just like a slap in my face, really... it was like "you are a hardcore Simnerd and belong into a seperate area with all the other mindsick guys... we are doing an arcade shooter now, for the massmarket... but thanks for falling to our promises and funding this... oh,btw, you have always the choise to play the arcademode... thanks for your attention"... i know they didn´t say that,but it felt this way...

i mean seriously...calling it HARDCORE and in the same moment denying the possibilty of adding some benefit to that "hardcore" ...what would you call it other than a "haha!"?

another thing that bothers me with this is:

the mercenaries will be the only ones to be forced into 1st person - sothey are called out to be the "hardcore players" in MWO,while faction players have to play both views, cause they are just casuals? ... well... i am sure i know quite alot of house and clan players who are more hardcore than my whole merc-corp... find the error...

Edited by Alex Warden, 19 June 2013 - 06:43 AM.

[BigMekkUrDakka]

not to mention there will be 3pv users in only 1pv environment for sure

[Syllogy]

BigMekkUrDakka, on 19 June 2013 - 06:55 AM, said:

not to mention there will be 3pv users in only 1pv environment for sure

How do you figure?

[Pando]

Lokust Davion, on 17 June 2013 - 09:14 AM, said:

PGI really needs to switch "Hardcore/1pv" to "Normal" and switch "Normal/3pv" to "Trainee".

No, I'm not going to fight on my steiner account in community warfare under a mode called "trainee"

[Syllogy]

If Hardcore only = Forced 1st Person View, then how are we not already playing Hardcore mode?

[Alex Warden]

Syllogy, on 19 June 2013 - 07:19 AM, said:

If Hardcore only = Forced 1st Person View, then how are we not already playing Hardcore mode?

yea funny right? PGI spent about one year developing a hardcore mode without having a normal mode in the first place... all in all the whole story is a great joke... luckily i have a different sense of humor...

[BigMekkUrDakka]

Syllogy, on 19 June 2013 - 07:09 AM, said:

How do you figure?

ive seen that in many many other games. i mean using some "in client" or "client side" features there they doesn't supposed to be used, its essence of cheating and it always will be here.

[Alex Warden]

Pando, on 19 June 2013 - 07:11 AM, said:

No, I'm not going to fight on my steiner account in community warfare under a mode called "trainee"

read my post above, if you didn´t already... the whole conception of Mercs being "hardcore players" and the rest is not , is one big GIGANTIC flaw...

what will they do next? forbidding ANY form of group within house gameplay, so those who have formed units already will be forced to play mercenaries? THAT might work... lol

btw, what about you clanners? you will be handled just like houses from what they told us lately...

BigMekkUrDakka, on 19 June 2013 - 07:23 AM, said:

ive seen that in many many other games. i mean using some "in client" or "client side" features there they doesn't supposed to be used, its essence of cheating and it always will be here.

camera hacks incoming? i won´t say it´s not possible...

angle: 90°
ViewDistance: 2000

yep... i can imagine that

Edited by Alex Warden, 19 June 2013 - 07:35 AM.

[Pando]

Syllogy, on 19 June 2013 - 07:19 AM, said:

If Hardcore only = Forced 1st Person View, then how are we not already playing Hardcore mode?

We are playing hardcore mode.

Alex Warden, on 19 June 2013 - 07:25 AM, said:

read my post above, if you didn´t already... the whole conception of Mercs being "hardcore players" and the rest is not , is one big GIGANTIC flaw...

what will they do next? forbidding ANY form of group within house gameplay, so those who have formed units already will be forced to play mercenaries? THAT might work... lol



camera hacks incoming? i won´t say it´s not possible...

angle: 90°
ViewDistance: 2000

yep... i can imagine that

I didn't read anything you typed. My comment was directly for my fellow JW member. I really don't care what is hardcore and what is normal. I want to play the game in both modes and be happy. I don't want to be labeled as training when I'm not training. I'm fighting in 3rd person view because it is MY PREFERENCE.

Edited by Pando, 19 June 2013 - 07:34 AM.

[Syllogy]

BigMekkUrDakka, on 19 June 2013 - 07:23 AM, said:

ive seen that in many many other games. i mean using some "in client" or "client side" features there they doesn't supposed to be used, its essence of cheating and it always will be here.

Okay... since you've seen it many, many times, please give us some examples of how 3PV was implemented in a way similar to how MWO plans to implement it, but actually allows cheating.

[Hugh Fairgrove]

Lokust Davion, on 17 June 2013 - 09:14 AM, said:

PGI really needs to switch "Hardcore/1pv" to "Normal" and switch "Normal/3pv" to "Trainee".

Totally agree with this.

Keep 3pv out of my normal mode. The default mode shouldn't be renamed "hardcore" because its the "standard" mode. This is a sim not Medal of Duty or Call of Honor.

Edited by Hugh Fairgrove, 19 June 2013 - 07:47 AM.

[Alex Warden]

Pando, on 19 June 2013 - 07:33 AM, said:

We are playing hardcore mode.

I didn't read anything you typed. My comment was directly for my fellow JW member. I really don't care what is hardcore and what is normal. I want to play the game in both modes and be happy. I don't want to be labeled as training when I'm not training. I'm fighting in 3rd person view because it is MY PREFERENCE.

see,,, that´s the big problem lately... for you to be happy the only way would be to just ignore the split and allow both 3rd and 1st person in ANY mode, in any faction and so on... i personally don´t mind your preferences... but currently there IS a problem, because the split WILL happen...

didn´t mean to offend you, i didn´t realized you just wanted to throw a statement over to your comrade...