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[I am]

Ballistics are the worst weapon in mwo, and you are a terrible person for suggesting they be nerfed. Shame on you.

[James Montana]

Don't worry I'm capping this thread. It'll be game over for this topic soon :-)

[Alistair Winter]

Pater Mors, on 19 June 2013 - 05:59 PM, said:

The thing is, that to really find out whether its the build or just a trend you need to run closer to 1000 matches in that build and then another 1000 matches in a control build, one considered to be versatile. Only then will you have enough data to tell whether it's the build or you. At best, the results you have here are an indication of a trend but they're still far too low to provide any solid conclusions.

Well, let's not go overboard here. I don't need to play 1000 matches in a control build to know whether or not MGs are too powerful. If I was publishing a scientific thesis, then sure, I would need some solid evidence. During the last LRM apocalypse, which only lasted for a short while, it only took experienced players a few matches to know that PGI's "tweak" had catastrophic consequences. We really didn't need PGI to look at the statistics for us.

I'm all for having a scientific mindset, but I feel confident that I know a number of things about this game without having carried out double blind experiments.

Pater Mors, on 19 June 2013 - 05:59 PM, said:

The way Elo works is that it will try and balance you out at a steady 1 for your W/L. So you'll find that sometimes you win heaps of games and sometimes you will lose heaps. This is an unfortunate side effect of using Elo to match us up against random teams and why you need to run thousands of matches to account for that Elo swing.

Honestly, I don't put much stock in any players trying to explain ELO. We have very little information

Furthermore, these 20 matches aren't my only experience with UAC5 boats. I do play this game a bit, I see my regular teammates using them and I see random players using them. I just shared my little experiment because it's more tangible and interesting than just saying "in my experience".

I could do the same experiment with a Spider 5K with 4 machine guns, and people could say "Yeah, yeah, it's the ELO, dude." No, MG's suck.

Nebuchadnezzar2, on 19 June 2013 - 07:29 PM, said:

It is true that ballistics are powerfull enough (except mg of course) and it is the reason why i love bllistic dragon so much and i do more consistently on ballistics dragons opposed to energy oriented one such 1C
And i also belive that high energy alpha that you can use only 1 or 2 times before strat concerning about overheating is somewhat overated
For me most of the energy and ballistic loadout ore somewhat balanced now
High pinpoint alpha is more powerful in the longer range due to their pinpoint burst damage while high dps is stronger in the shorter range when it is easy to consistently land them on the enemy
Once people realize the power of smaller ballistics we will start leaving high alpha sniper meta to a more balanced one
Ill say that they are working as intended

They are definitely working as intended, in the sense that this is what PGI wants the game to be like. There are many aspects of the game that the fans are horrified by, that PGI is happy about. I think ballistic weapons are "balanced" in the sense that they're as good as energy weapons. But my point was that when people QQ about energy weapons, they should consider that ballistic weapons are just as good.

PGI can nerf PPC boating till kingdom come. I'm still going to be shredding people in my Ilya.

I am, on 19 June 2013 - 07:45 PM, said:

Ballistics are the worst weapon in mwo, and you are a terrible person for suggesting they be nerfed. Shame on you.

My point wasn't specifically that ballistics need to be nerfed. I'm just saying the same principle applies to ballistic weapons as energy weapons. My issue is with the whole gameplay balance in MW:O, not with a specific weapon. Settle down and read slower

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One Medic Army, on 19 June 2013 - 03:23 PM, said:

It's 15, and another 15 0.5seconds later, which is long enough that either the user is forced to maintain aim, or they hit a different bit.

Yes, the AC/20 still deals 10 dmg at 540. An alpha of 20 pinpoint isn't much of an issue though.

It is an issue for the balance between AC/20 vs AC/10, but it might not be an issue for general gameplay.