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[Appogee]

If I want to put Artemis on my X-5, which is equipped with lasers and SSRMs, it will cost 750,000 CBills, and take up no slots or extra tonnage.

However, if my friend wants to put Artemis on his QuickDraw, which is equipped with 2 SRMs and 1LRM, MechLab says it will cost take up 3 tons and 3 slots.

Is this correct, or a bug in MechLab? What would Artemis, which is a system, add tons and slots to a Mech, but only for SRMs/LRMs, not for SSRMs?

Thanks in advance for your advice.

[Johnny Reb]

I think its a set cost for any mech. Arty does help ssrms so I take the plunge whenever I can!

[mindwarp]

Artemis is a missile guidance system. It does nothing for energy or ballistic weapons, and so takes up no space or weight. When combined with missile weapons, it adds one ton and one crit per launcher and improved missile guidance (better grouping).

*edit* Artemis isn't compatible with the guidance systems in SSRMs, which already contain a fancy guidance system making them almost 100% accurate.

Edited by mindwarp, 20 June 2013 - 10:35 PM.

[The Cheese]

mindwarp, on 20 June 2013 - 10:34 PM, said:

*edit* Artemis isn't compatible with the guidance systems in SSRMs, which already contain a fancy guidance system making them almost 100% accurate.

Partially correct. It doesn't make them any more accurate, but it does make them lock on faster. It also makes LRMs lock on faster, so I suppose that's the perk that comes with the 750k outlay for the upgrade.

In short: the 750k buys you faster lock ons. The 1ton extra buys you better missile clustering.

Edit: I think I should note that I'm not sure if the faster lock on for SSRMs is intentional or not. All the official documentation I've found says that it doesn't affect them, but there have been quite a few users who have tested it and found that it does in fact decrease the lock on time for streaks.

Double edit: Faster lock ons for SSRMS with Artemis appears to have been acknowledged as unintended behaviour. It's not intentional, but it's there.

Edited by The Cheese, 20 June 2013 - 10:59 PM.

[Appogee]

Thanks.

So, I can't see when it would be worth the extra ton it takes for each missile pack.

I mean, that ton could be a whole ML, and 5 points of damage.

[Slashmckill]

Artemis is designed for better grouping for guided missiles, Streaks have their own separate built-in guidance systems and therefore can't benefit from Artemis. The extra tonnage and slots are for equipping compatible missile systems with the equipment needed to guide the missiles properly and more accurately to their target. (streaks never miss anyway so it would be pointless for them to use the system)

Appogee, on 20 June 2013 - 10:45 PM, said:

Thanks.

So, I can't see when it would be worth the extra ton it takes for each missile pack.

I mean, that ton could be a whole ML, and 5 points of damage.

The reason you would take it is if your main weapon system of choice was either Lrms or Srms. Lrms and Srms are both notoriously inaccurate weapon systems so you would forgo an extra medlas for the extra damage you would be essentially getting from the more accurate missiles. (more missles would hit their target therefore raising you total damage not to mention focusing the all the damage on fewer parts of mechs)

Edited by Slashmckill, 20 June 2013 - 10:51 PM.

[Johnny Reb]

Arty is worth it if you are only running streaks just because of the faster lock on time. No tonnage spent yet benefit.

[Hans Von Lohman]

I play the board game.

Artemis is a missile upgrade. How it works in the board game is two dice rolls. The first is a dice roll to see if you hit the guy, then comes a second dice roll to see how many missiles of the bunch hit the target.

Artemis affects that 2nd dice roll. You won't hit the guy any better, but more missiles will hit the target when they do hit. You can see this in MWO testing grounds when you equip artemis and don't equip it. The missile salvo will be a tighter, more concentrated pattern than a normal missile volley.

Artemis equipment is 1 ton, and 1 critical space. It is required on all missile systems on a mech, 1 per launcher. You will see this in the mechlab when you load in an SRM-4 at 2 tons and 1 crtical slot, and an SRM-4 + Artemis is 3 tons and 2 critical slots.

Streak SRM's are special, and don't use Artemis. A S-SRM-2 is still only 1.5 tons and 1 slot.

Artemis will also speed up your lock on time in MWO (in a board game this isn't part of the rules which is 1 shot per turn, but that applies to all weapons in the boardgame). I find is it's best feature in MWO, as snap shots might be all you get when a guy comes into view.

Edited by Hans Von Lohman, 20 June 2013 - 10:53 PM.

[Johnny Reb]

Slashmckill, on 20 June 2013 - 10:46 PM, said:

Artemis is designed for better grouping for guided missiles, Streaks have their own separate built-in guidance systems and therefore can't benefit from Artemis. The extra tonnage and slots are for equipping compatible missile systems with the equipment needed to guide the missiles properly and more accurately to their target. (streaks never miss anyway so it would be pointless for them to use the system)

Not true get faster locks since the game currently classes all lock on missiles the same for arty.

All my missle mechs, lrm or ssrm have arty unless I have other builds that the arty will hurt.

Edited by Johnny Reb, 20 June 2013 - 10:55 PM.

[Slashmckill]

Johnny Reb, on 20 June 2013 - 10:51 PM, said:

Arty is worth it if you are only running streaks just because of the faster lock on time. No tonnage spent yet benefit.

Thats actually a bug.

[Johnny Reb]

Slashmckill, on 20 June 2013 - 10:52 PM, said:

Thats actually a bug.

Yes and I imagine way low on the list for a fix.

edit: If ever fixed!

Edited by Johnny Reb, 20 June 2013 - 10:59 PM.

[Slashmckill]

I can't remember where i saw it at but they do know it's there and they were trying to fix it last i checked. I actually thought they fixed it in the last patch but i guess not. (my mind is playing tricks on me) Anyway my point is don't get used to banking on something that will be going away soon. (Or at least soon enough)

Edited by Slashmckill, 20 June 2013 - 11:03 PM.

[Johnny Reb]

Banking? No if its fixed its fixed, not gonna change my ssrm load-outs.

edit: I will just have then a worthless upgrade I already paid for, darn.

edit2: still better than buying mech then paying to get rid of FF for Endo!

Edited by Johnny Reb, 20 June 2013 - 11:07 PM.

[Slashmckill]

Then don't, i don't really care either way. (and yes, banking, as in "relying on" or "counting on". Have you really never heard that slang before?)

[Johnny Reb]

Slashmckill, on 20 June 2013 - 11:14 PM, said:

Then don't, i don't really care either way. (and yes, banking, as in "relying on" or "counting on". Have you really never heard that slang before?)

Nope never, I used the word out of the blue. Maybe in the wrong context however never heard it before. I am "banking" on that!

[627]

the speeded uop lock on for ssrms is a bug, but the devs aren't willing to change lock on mechanic for ssrm and lrm (they use the same).

Extra note, artemis for LRMs work only in direct line of sight, indirect fire won't benefit from the upgrade.

btw. have someone tested A-SRMs since that flightpath patch? it seems there is no change if i use artemis or not, srms fly straight on target...

[Gaan Cathal]

Appogee, on 20 June 2013 - 10:45 PM, said:

Thanks.

So, I can't see when it would be worth the extra ton it takes for each missile pack.

I mean, that ton could be a whole ML, and 5 points of damage.

Only if you have a spare energy hardpoint with nothing in it. The point of the Artemis upgrade is the increased concentration of damage, less missiles miss the target and more of them will hit the same location, which is hugely important for increasing the speed of your kills.