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[Nightborn]

Sychodemus, on 09 June 2012 - 12:04 AM, said:

They did. Those are the Reseen, but we haven't seen them in MWO yet (for some unknown reason.)

I have heard tell that something happened legally with the Re-seen's, although I cannot source this so I am unsure of whether it is true or not.

[Tyra]

Nightborn, on 09 June 2012 - 12:20 AM, said:

I have heard tell that something happened legally with the Re-seen's, although I cannot source this so I am unsure of whether it is true or not.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Unseen

Talks about it, looks like there was some issue.

I hope they get a total redesign, as nice as they are they just don't FIT with the rest of the Battletech mechs. They're so obviously different that it always bothered me.

Especially the ones based on Macross. I mean there are a few that really fit (archer and warhammer especially) but most of them, not really.

And then you get the ugly gangly ones with tiny thing legs...

Edited by Tyra, 09 June 2012 - 12:30 AM.

[SgtMac]

I have some of the old american version Robotech stuff, those four mechs are what the bike armor looks like on the riders, when they transform. As for the whole unseen joke. Use the Mechwarrior Clix images. They passed the lawsuit crap, and made it into cannon. granted they were ugly as sin. Either way, there is a load of mech chassis out there they can still roll in. Annihilator, Crab, King Crab, Vindicator, to name a few.

Edited by SgtMac, 09 June 2012 - 12:32 AM.

[Sychodemus]

Just a refresher since folks don't like Sarna or don't quite understand what it says:

Unseen: 'Mechs whose images were removed from publication.

Reseen: Unseen 'Mechs that were redesigned. Almost all of the Unseen had Reseen versions.

VMI: 'Mechs whose images were created by Victor Musical Industries.
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"True" UNSEEN were taken from three Japanese animated series; Crusher Joe, SDF Macross and Fang of the Sun Dougram. Most of these designs were heavily modified by Duane Loose but they were were still recognizable when compared to their source designs.

Crusher Joe: Locust, Corsair (ASF), Samurai (ASF), Sparrowhawk (ASF), Galleon (CV), Leopard (DS)

SDF Macross: Archer, Crusader, Falcon, Firebee (BD version), Hornet (BD version), Longbow, Marauder, Marauder II, Ostroc, Ostscout, Ostsol, Phoenix Hawk, Phoenix HAwk LAM, Rifleman, Stinger, Stinger LAM, Valkyrie, Warhammer, Wasp, Wasp LAM.

Fang of the Sun Dougram: Battlemaster, Goliath, Griffin, Scorpion, Shadow Hawk, Thunderbolt, Wolverine.
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"Collateral" UNSEEN were created by VMI for Battletech. Unfortunately, these artists also worked on many anime mecha shows so the styles were often similar. This merely added to the confusion. Similarities to precursor 'Mechs is often questionable. Their legality and source of inspiration is debatable. (For example, the Behemoth is often paralled with the Monster from SDF Macross. This is dubious at best. Likewise, many of the IIC versions look nothing like their namesakes.) Nevertheless, the decision by FASA/FP/CGL to henceforth create all future images "in-house" and to be solely owned, placed these images into doubt.

Victor Musical Industries: Behemoth, Galahad, Goshawk, Grand Crusader, Griffin IIC, Hellhound, Howler, Kraken, Locust IIC, Marauder IIC, Nexus, Phoenix Hawk IIC, Raijin, Rifleman IIC, Shadow Hawk IIC, Warhammer IIC, Viper, Vixen.
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By 2008 there was talk of an agreement that would have let some of the Unseen images be used again. That deal fell through and CGL decided to return to their "in-house only" policy as of 2011. This brief window of un-Unseen has only further muddied the waters.

[Novakaine]

Hehe class action suit against Crappy Gold?

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Q. Will the unseen Mechs make it into the game after all?
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This is the last word we have on the matter... there will be a future announcement... when this will be... we don't know. Much like our PENDING beta status'... this too is pending.[/color]
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[Jack Gallows]

Absolon, on 08 June 2012 - 10:53 PM, said:

Griffen
Shadow Hawk
Wolverine
Thunderbolt

These 'mechs are in the reseen category.

On this, this is the only information we have concerning them...

From the FAQ

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Q. Will the unseen Mechs make it into the game after all?

A. Look forward to a future announcement.

And then an official post over on the classic btech forums

http://bg.battletech...p?topic=17454.0

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Hello,

yes, they are legal.

Thank you,

- Herbert Beas
BattleTech
Catalyst Game Labs

So, right now while the reseen are legal to be used, we can't be sure how PGI feels about it since they've given us 0 to go on. It's a waiting game right now.