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[Adrienne Vorton]

i started a petition towards McDonalds to add the double-western-whopper to their menue...for some strange reason they didn´t listen to it...

[ryoma]

Adrienne Vorton, on 12 July 2013 - 01:16 PM, said:

i started a petition towards McDonalds to add the double-western-whopper to their menue...for some strange reason they didn´t listen to it...

So you requested a restaurant to add a copyrighted menu item from a competitor to their menu? Good thing they didn't listen to you. I guess if we were asking PGI to add Zakus from Gundam this would be an apt comparison, but nice try there.

What we're asking is for the Phoenix packs and hopefully future packs like this to have some sort of value in the rungs below the max cost package. Right now the only people who would buy a 20-40 dollar package are those who suffer from powerful nostalgia and rose tinted goggles.

Because of this we have one of two real options
A. Pay 80 bucks for a relatively good deal
B. Don't spend money at all

I went with option B despite wanting to spend money on MWO.

[Rather Dashing]

Adrienne Vorton, on 12 July 2013 - 01:16 PM, said:

i started a petition towards McDonalds to add the double-western-whopper to their menue...for some strange reason they didn´t listen to it...

A MAN TRIED TO SELL ME A HAND FULL OF CRAP ONCE FOR A THOUSAND DOLLARS, I ASKED HIM TO SPRINKLE SOME GOLD ON IT BUT HE CALLED ME AN ENTITLED TURD BURGLAR.

*EDIT, WHY THE HELL IS THE WORD "TURD" CENSORED?

Edited by Rather Dashing, 12 July 2013 - 06:20 PM.

[valkyrie]

Adrienne Vorton, on 12 July 2013 - 01:16 PM, said:

i started a petition towards McDonalds to add the double-western-whopper to their menue...for some strange reason they didn´t listen to it...

You know if I go to McDonalds and ask for just the Big Mac and drink out of the number 1 special because I don't want fries, you know what they do?

THEY SELL ME JUST THE BIG MAC AND THE DRINK OUT OF THE ******* SPECIAL, OR THE ***** AT THE REGISTER GETS FIRED AND I LEAVE WITHOUT SPENDING MONEY

Edited by valkyrie, 12 July 2013 - 06:25 PM.

[Adrienne Vorton]

valkyrie, on 12 July 2013 - 06:20 PM, said:

You know if I go to McDonalds and ask for just the Big Mac and drink out of the number 1 special because I don't want fries, you know what they do?

THEY SELL ME JUST THE BIG MAC AND THE DRINK OUT OF THE ******* SPECIAL, OR THE ***** AT THE REGISTER GETS FIRED AND I LEAVE WITHOUT SPENDING MONEY

that´s because they offer you the freedom of choise...
okay,so some people missed the point in my little stupid fun-statement.

it´s a buisness decission, they WANT you to buy the BIG package... if you want the BM,you´ll have to buy the biggie...
i´ll refuse from doing so, but i know that it´s the way they offer the presale. no petition in the world will change that, unless the marketing department decides that it´s a good idea, so brilliant that it would be stupid not to do it.

and to answer to the quote: if you buy the 80$ package and ask PGI to leave the PhoenixHawk out,i am pretty sure there would be a solution...
plus

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THEY SELL ME JUST THE BIG MAC AND THE DRINK OUT OF THE ******* SPECIAL

for the normal single prices, since it´s not a special menue anymore ...

Edited by Adrienne Vorton, 13 July 2013 - 10:29 AM.

[ryoma]

Adrienne Vorton, on 13 July 2013 - 10:20 AM, said:

that´s because they offer you the freedom of choise...
okay,so some people missed the point in my little stupid fun-statement.

it´s a buisness decission, they WANT you to buy the BIG package... if you want the BM,you´ll have to buy the biggie...
i´ll refuse from doing so, but i know that it´s the way they offer the presale. no petition in the world will change that, unless the marketing department decides that it´s a good idea, so brilliant that it would be stupid not to do it.

and to answer to the quote: if you buy the 80$ package and ask PGI to leave the PhoenixHawk out,i am pretty sure there would be a solution...
plus for the normal single prices, since it´s not a special menue anymore ...

[Riptor]

KuruptU4Fun, on 09 July 2013 - 02:49 PM, said:

If you came in with expectations then people are already GOING to be disappointed. So that little point of fact is on those who had expectations going in, not PGI. I bought the Legendary pack knowing I was getting by what was listed, not assuming anything. I've been on the same roller coaster ride everyone else has been since then. I've been happy and disappointed many times.

With this pack I know in order to get my monies worth I might as well master out and keep every mech I bought. Instead of maxing out the only one I like and then selling it for the empty mech bay.

I can say I've gotten my monies worth with the founders package, and I've invested more as well. Currently I'm holding anything else back for certain reasons. But I have confidence that PGI will get this game to a place where it's enjoyed at by many people and the longevity in game play will be there...

Heres the problem:

Those expectations where created solely based on the promises that PGI made.. or have you forgotten all the Dev posts describing in great detail how the game would work.. wich turned out to be nothing but hot air and completly dropped since they allready have problems running the game as is?

What youre describing is unfounded expectations... or wishfull thinking

But when someone lays out in great detail what he is planning to do if you found him.. and then a couple months later goes "lol sorry guys cant do that... that was my position at the time" you have every right to be more then a little pissed.

[stjobe]

ryoma, on 25 June 2013 - 03:09 PM, said:

As title.

If you don't want us to pay 20$ for any specific mech, maybe make a 30 dollar bundle with choice enabled for all the people who only care about one?

Currently the 20-40$ bundles are terrible.

Maybe even the option to turn mechs you don't want into MC, Cbills, or premium time.

[ryoma]

agreed Stjobe! Ideas like consumer choice and protection are outdated! Corporations should all band together in price fixing schemes because they are more important than us! **** the consumer, PGI needs that money!

[EyeDie I]

they said buy the package and you get these 4 mechs and the mechs we wont show you.the community raves its a great deal even if you dont want the mechs sell them and keep the mech bays.they let the players promote a lie...they respond to a players inquiry uou cant sell the mechs and keep the mech bays..where is this stated before you purchase?nowhere.


http://mwomercs.com/...oenix-mechbays/

[Nutlink]

It sucks for those who can't afford it or don't want to spend that kind of money for one reason or another, but I can see why PGI did what they did. Besides, the Phoenix mechs will be available for CBills in the future, so it's not like those folks won't ever have access to them (other than some minor physical changes from my understanding). If you have the money it's a pretty solid deal compared to their current price model, but if you have the patience you can save yourself a lot of money in the long run.

It's funny that some folks think this is anti-consumerism though. You still have a way to obtain almost everything they offer in the package deal over time if you want. If all you're interested in is the BM, then wait until January and pick it up then. You have plenty of time to save up CBills for it or save up a few bucks to buy some MC to use. They're not stopping you from being able to pilot these mechs, they're just offering an incentive to give them money so you can use them earlier.

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

I'm content with the $40 package.

I get the Shadow Hawk and I can extra mechbays + Cbills from selling off the locusts (lol what a worthless pos. Sorry for those who actually like this mech)

[Eddie Smurphy]

mwhighlander, on 20 July 2013 - 12:00 PM, said:

I'm content with the $40 package.

I get the Shadow Hawk and I can extra mechbays + Cbills from selling off the locusts (lol what a worthless pos. Sorry for those who actually like this mech)

PGI said you can't sell the mech's. (aka no real free mechbays

[Zerberus]

Basically the only one I care for from an "always wanted one" perspective is the Shadow Hawk.

But I still bought overlord.

Why?

1 "hero-like" mech per weight class
9 mechs months before actual release.
4 cockpit items.
Premium time.

And the chance to find out that I may like one of the other 3 better than what I currently drive, and already have a "boosted" variant if that turns out to be the case.

Nobody "forced" me to do it (that argument is completely preposterous, and has always been, but some entitled whineabee always seems to come up with it), I was not coerced in any way. Logic, rational thinking, and basic economics make it the obvious choice.

And no, I`m not someone "with money to burn", until next week I`m still unemployed, and was at the time of purchase.

FTR, the "20$ /mech" argument is the biggest pile of mimimimi-"I want but can`t have for free" ********* anyone on these forums has ever pulled out of their overactive verbal ******....

What does premium time cost?
What do mechbays cost?
What do cockpit items cost?
Since when do 3 mechs = 1 mech?

Seriously, do not ever even consider starting a business, becasue you have absolutely no clue of how to calculate prices and margins.... You`re literally saying that buying a 3 cars, (one with with custom paint and 2 whores chained to the back seat for life) a 3 car garage, free gas for a month and a cappucino machine is the exact same thing same as buying just one car.

A complete and total economics, basic math, and overall use of brain fail.

We live in a capitalist society. Hence the basic principles of Supply and Demand apply here just as much as they do with any other purchase. Vote with your wallet, either by paying up, or not buying. Or take to the streets and actively campaign for the abolition of the free market system in favor of (x). Everything else is wasting your time, our time, and your breath.

Edited by Zerberus, 21 July 2013 - 04:47 AM.

[ryoma]

At this point with Phoenix almost over I still haven't purchased a package.

At some point in the future PGI will probably try this again, so I can only hope they take this feedback into account for the next pre-sale.

[Schrottfrosch]

This is a normal sale of a special offer - there are going to be hero versions of any mechs available, which are also going to be more efficient than these mechs (just like the founder mechs have hero versions which are more efficient).

The problem is not that you do not have freedom of choice - the problem is, that people percieve that bigger means better, and that therefore only the battlemaster is a viable mech. This originates in the state of ballance the game is in. But PGI said themselves, that size doesnt matter and that a small mech is (or should be) just as valid as a big mech - there still needs to be some work being done here by PGI.

I think this offer is perfectly fair - and even better than the founder package (actually way better). I am going for overlord, even though I am not playing much atm (I also bought the sarah mech, even though I have that particular jenner variant because of my founder package, but you get an awesome paintjob and the money goes to something good - even though I am quite pessimistic regarding cancer, no matter how much money you throw at it...).

My suggestion is for you who are sceptic, to wait for the hero battlemaster or even the for sure to come clan founder package.

have fun!