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[Fate 6]

El Bandito, on 03 July 2013 - 07:32 PM, said:

I am surprised by the sheer ineffectiveness of LRMs at this high Elo. I heard about it, but never witnessed it first hand like this.

Only ineffective because everyone is running a slow assault mech - the tracking isn't a huge advantage because you can hit them with anything easily enough, and they have lots of CT armor.

Compared to when someone is running a medium mech against LRMs, and you aren't fast enough to outrun them, so you have to hide or die due to low CT armor.

[Victor Morson]

Fate 6, on 03 July 2013 - 08:58 PM, said:

Only ineffective because everyone is running a slow assault mech

The situation is not better if everyone is running heavies, even light ones. At all.

I can say this with certainty just by looking at and playing in weight restricted leagues. All that happens is they trade Stalkers for Cataphracts or Cataphracts for Quickdraws and run the exact same type of build on them all.

In other words LRMs (at least before this patch, I'm still evaluating them this patch after the grouping changes) are simply not viable competitively at all.

Fate 6, on 03 July 2013 - 08:58 PM, said:

Compared to when someone is running a medium mech against LRMs, and you aren't fast enough to outrun them, so you have to hide or die due to low CT armor.

You do understand that the bigger the target, the better the accuracy and more damage LRMs deliver, right? Mediums are hard to do much to, where assaults should fold rapidly if we're talking raw "stand and deliver" damage (which gets you killed). My point is if your medium is so slow it cannot escape mediums you designed your medium poorly.

Minimum speed should be at least high 80s for a 50 tonner, man.

Edited by Victor Morson, 03 July 2013 - 09:11 PM.

[Stoicblitzer]

Fate 6, on 03 July 2013 - 08:58 PM, said:

Compared to when someone is running a medium mech against LRMs, and you aren't fast enough to outrun them, so you have to hide or die due to low CT armor.

working as intended..?

[AntiCitizenJuan]

Petroshka, on 25 June 2013 - 04:52 PM, said:

well placed Gameplay Balance topic.

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[El Bandito]

Fate 6, on 03 July 2013 - 08:58 PM, said:

Only ineffective because everyone is running a slow assault mech - the tracking isn't a huge advantage because you can hit them with anything easily enough, and they have lots of CT armor.

Nope. Overwhelming majority of my LRM kills are slow Assaults like Atlas, Highlander or Stalker. Targeting Heavies or Mediums means I will be wasting at least 50% of my missiles due to their speed. Against Lights, I am wasting 90% of my missiles.

Whenever I ride my LRM boat, I am actually happy to see a lot of Assaults on the enemy team.

Edited by El Bandito, 03 July 2013 - 10:58 PM.

[Demuder]

It's ok, guys, nothing to see here. The heat penalty in the last patch fixed this, right ?

[Blackadder]

El Bandito, on 03 July 2013 - 07:32 PM, said:

I am surprised by the sheer ineffectiveness of LRMs at this high Elo. I heard about it, but never witnessed it first hand like this.

I have never had issues with outwitting LRMs personally, even at my craptastic elo. My experience has been they are only effective against new players who do not know how to use terrain, or bad player who just flat out refuse to protect themselves.

[MustrumRidcully]

oldradagast, on 03 July 2013 - 04:20 PM, said:

Game balance is fine. At 0:36, I clearly see a medium laser, so all is well.

No, it's not, I clearly saw LRMs being used.

[RetroActive]

Am I the only one that saw plenty other weapons besides PPCs in that video? I think everyone is seeing only PPCs due to the video being from the point of view of a PPC boat + the current bias against PPC balance.