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[juxstapo]

slighted?

At the risk of enlisting in the PGI defense force, I have to say that I haven't felt slighted in the least. Not with the smaller cbill bonus on my Founder's mechs (which I still play regularly), nor with the comparatively better deal that Project Phoenix represents.

I've worked as a contractor for sixteen years now, and frankly you just have to money the money when you money or else money. A lot of people on here bit ch and whine about blatant money grabs and how they were jilted out of x amount already and how PGI isn't getting anymore of their cash until they do this, that, and the other.

Everyone knew from the beginning that they weren't purchasing a finished, polished, vetted product in a pretty package with a warranty. This thing is (and hopefully will be for awhile), an ongoing process. They might not have horked out the rather ambitious milestones they were speculating about yet, but what they have accomplished is damn impressive, frankly I was dubious about them making it this far. This IP was dead and buried, and Microsoft had practically riveted the coffin shut. Just buying into the franchise was a huge gamble, let alone assembling a team to do something with it. And we, (b itchy ones included) have had fun with what they've done.

Employees have to get paid. Businesses require a cash flow to continue to exist. The majority of this playerbase are deeply buried in adulthood, and by far most of us are professionals of some capacity. You all know this already.

If you can't see clear to spend anymore money on this thing, fine. I for one can totally respect that, but it's irritating and condescending to go around "spreading the gospel" of how foolish it is for the rest of us to continue to spend on this disappointment that you are so clearly disappointed in.

I think I've sunk about $500 in this thing so far, with another $80 heading out next week and I don't regret a penny of it. If I think back on the sheer number of games I've plopped down $60 on, good ones, bad ones, a very few great ones; If I add to that books, magazines, movies, (this is just my crap I'm on about, I've got four kids and a wife also) I am forced to conclude that I will spend money to amuse myself. Here lately, Hero mechs, camo patterns, and premium time have been amusing the hell out of me.

These people have to make money folks. Deal with it.



EDIT* Uhhhh.,... OP, sorry about the rant. It's very late/early

[juxstapo]

slighted?

At the risk of enlisting in the PGI defense force, I have to say that I haven't felt slighted in the least. Not with the smaller cbill bonus on my Founder's mechs (which I still play regularly), nor with the comparatively better deal that Project Phoenix represents.

I've worked as a contractor for sixteen years now, and frankly you just have to money the money when you money or else money. A lot of people on here bit ch and whine about blatant money grabs and how they were jilted out of x amount already and how PGI isn't getting anymore of their cash until they do this, that, and the other.

Everyone knew from the beginning that they weren't purchasing a finished, polished, vetted product in a pretty package with a warranty. This thing is (and hopefully will be for awhile), an ongoing process. They might not have horked out the rather ambitious milestones they were speculating about yet, but what they have accomplished is damn impressive, frankly I was dubious about them making it this far. This IP was dead and buried, and Microsoft had practically riveted the coffin shut. Just buying into the franchise was a huge gamble, let alone assembling a team to do something with it. And we, (b itchy ones included) have had fun with what they've done.

Employees have to get paid. Businesses require a cash flow to continue to exist. The majority of this playerbase are deeply buried in adulthood, and by far most of us are professionals of some capacity. You all know this already.

If you can't see clear to spend anymore money on this thing, fine. I for one can totally respect that, but it's irritating and condescending to go around "spreading the gospel" of how foolish it is for the rest of us to continue to spend on this disappointment that you are so clearly disappointed in.

I think I've sunk about $500 in this thing so far, with another $80 heading out next week and I don't regret a penny of it. If I think back on the sheer number of games I've plopped down $60 on, good ones, bad ones, a very few great ones; If I add to that books, magazines, movies, (this is just my crap I'm on about, I've got four kids and a wife also) I am forced to conclude that I will spend money to amuse myself. Here lately, Hero mechs, camo patterns, and premium time have been amusing the hell out of me.

These people have to make money folks. Deal with it.



EDIT* Uhhhh.,... OP, sorry about the rant. It's very late/early

[Relic1701]

MustrumRidcully, on 27 June 2013 - 12:47 PM, said:

ANd talking of this bonus - why do Founder mechs still only grant 25 % bonus, why aren't they upgraded to Hero Mech levle of bonuses? It's just 5 %, so probably no one really cares.

Don't Founders also get a experience bonus?

[Otto Cannon]

Relic1701, on 29 June 2013 - 12:40 AM, said:

Don't Founders also get a experience bonus?

No.

[Elizander]

MustrumRidcully, on 27 June 2013 - 12:47 PM, said:

Not that it's a critical thing, but a few things I wonder:

Why do I have to drive a Hero Mech to get a C-BIll Bonus?

I can totally get that PGI wants me to sell it for money and not just hand it out for free. And it wants me to have a reason to buy it for a mech. But wouldn't it be nice if you could upgrade any mech to give you +30 % C-Bills? Why do I have to drive a Hero Mech that I might not even like as much as one of the other standard variants (be it due to looks or the weapon loadout?)

I have created a suggestion about this a long time ago and it's still drifting here in the forums. It breaks down possible ways to implement this along with suggested costs (which PGI can boost or reduce as they see fit). It might not be perfect but it allows for:

• Incremental upgrading of the bonus for those on a smaller budget
  
• Turning any mech into a 'hero' mech so you can play what you want and earn the same (or close to it)

You can look at the suggestion thread here.

[Kattspya]

juxstapo, on 29 June 2013 - 12:34 AM, said:

slighted?

At the risk of enlisting in the PGI defense force, I have to say that I haven't felt slighted in the least. Not with the smaller cbill bonus on my Founder's mechs (which I still play regularly), nor with the comparatively better deal that Project Phoenix represents.

I've worked as a contractor for sixteen years now, and frankly you just have to money the money when you money or else money. A lot of people on here bit ch and whine about blatant money grabs and how they were jilted out of x amount already and how PGI isn't getting anymore of their cash until they do this, that, and the other.

Everyone knew from the beginning that they weren't purchasing a finished, polished, vetted product in a pretty package with a warranty. This thing is (and hopefully will be for awhile), an ongoing process. They might not have horked out the rather ambitious milestones they were speculating about yet, but what they have accomplished is damn impressive, frankly I was dubious about them making it this far. This IP was dead and buried, and Microsoft had practically riveted the coffin shut. Just buying into the franchise was a huge gamble, let alone assembling a team to do something with it. And we, (b itchy ones included) have had fun with what they've done.

Employees have to get paid. Businesses require a cash flow to continue to exist. The majority of this playerbase are deeply buried in adulthood, and by far most of us are professionals of some capacity. You all know this already.

If you can't see clear to spend anymore money on this thing, fine. I for one can totally respect that, but it's irritating and condescending to go around "spreading the gospel" of how foolish it is for the rest of us to continue to spend on this disappointment that you are so clearly disappointed in.

I think I've sunk about $500 in this thing so far, with another $80 heading out next week and I don't regret a penny of it. If I think back on the sheer number of games I've plopped down $60 on, good ones, bad ones, a very few great ones; If I add to that books, magazines, movies, (this is just my crap I'm on about, I've got four kids and a wife also) I am forced to conclude that I will spend money to amuse myself. Here lately, Hero mechs, camo patterns, and premium time have been amusing the hell out of me.

These people have to make money folks. Deal with it.



EDIT* Uhhhh.,... OP, sorry about the rant. It's very late/early

How does giving a small boost to reward your most loyal customers preclude getting money? The cost for PGI for enabling that boost is just about zero maybe ten minutes work for one employee. I'd say that the gesture would go a long way for getting back lost good will. A thing that might make them more money in the future. I know I would be much more attracted to the Phoenix project offers if I knew they wouldn't just be obsoleted when the next shiny package comes along.

How is that for making money mr. Knight?

[MustrumRidcully]

juxstapo, on 29 June 2013 - 12:34 AM, said:

slighted?

No. Just wondering/rambling. As you noticed, it seemed a good day for that.

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EDIT* Uhhhh.,... OP, sorry about the rant. It's very late/early

A 5 % extra bonus would not really cost PGI anything significant. It might gain them some positive reactions, of course,w hich can be a net benefit.


Upgrading a non-hero mech for hero bonuses - well, that's offering a new product that you might make money from.

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And others asking: Why would you buy Premium Time of you could buy a +30 % bonus.

I think it's math: 30 % + 50 % > 30 %.

You buy Premium because you get even more money from it. Not to forget you also get extra XP from that, if I am not mistaken.

[Jonny Taco]

"Is There A Balance Reason Why Only Hero Mechs Can Get C-Bill Bonuses?"


The answer is YES, it helps balance pgi's checking account.

[Wintersdark]

Elizander, on 29 June 2013 - 12:57 AM, said:

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I have created a suggestion about this a long time ago and it's still drifting here in the forums. It breaks down possible ways to implement this along with suggested costs (which PGI can boost or reduce as they see fit). It might not be perfect but it allows for:

• Incremental upgrading of the bonus for those on a smaller budget
  
• Turning any mech into a 'hero' mech so you can play what you want and earn the same (or close to it)

You can look at the suggestion thread here.

As I said above, they want to keep Hero mechs being special, so you won't see a "Heroize Your Mech" upgrade.

However, they ARE adding cockpit items that increase loyalty gain. Expect to see some that increase cbill gain too. This will provide the low-budget granular income-upgrade for minor amounts of MC you want.

Of course, they can be put into Hero mechs to stack bonuses, and Premium Time as well.

But, you won't see a way to simply make regular mechs Hero mechs, because that would steal Hero mech's thunder. This isn't a financial thing, just a game design thing.

[juxstapo]

Kattspya, on 29 June 2013 - 02:07 AM, said:

How does giving a small boost to reward your most loyal customers preclude getting money? The cost for PGI for enabling that boost is just about zero maybe ten minutes work for one employee. I'd say that the gesture would go a long way for getting back lost good will.

Oh that, yea, yea.

(yea I am sorry about the rant, not only was it late/early but there was copious amounts of alcohol involved. Was responding to an argument that was going on in my head more so than this thread).

I recall Park mentioning the concept of an C-bill or XP boost plug in that could be purchased and installed in a favorite chassis, and yes, that seems perfectly shiny.

I don't really agree with the concept of a package being "obsoleted", in that they were never promised to be better then this one or that one. We got what we were promised, at any rate, if that makes sense. Although the hero's released immediately after make larger bonuses than the Founder's, it wouldn't be a stretch to label them significantly pricier also. (The included premium time and all that).

At any rate, I apologize for coming over so pissy. Get all soap-boxed when drinking alone.

Edited by juxstapo, 29 June 2013 - 11:31 AM.

[Kattspya]

juxstapo, on 29 June 2013 - 11:30 AM, said:

Oh that, yea, yea.

(yea I am sorry about the rant, not only was it late/early but there was copious amounts of alcohol involved. Was responding to an argument that was going on in my head more so than this thread).

I recall Park mentioning the concept of an C-bill or XP boost plug in that could be purchased and installed in a favorite chassis, and yes, that seems perfectly shiny.

I don't really agree with the concept of a package being "obsoleted", in that they were never promised to be better then this one or that one. We got what we were promised, at any rate, if that makes sense. Although the hero's released immediately after make larger bonuses than the Founder's, it wouldn't be a stretch to label them significantly pricier also. (The included premium time and all that).

At any rate, I apologize for coming over so pissy. Get all soap-boxed when drinking alone.

No problem man. But stop apologizing and being nice, it is very confusing.