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[Captain Mediocre]

True or False "honor is for grave stones victory is all that matters"

[Mahws]

If that's all you're looking for in a faction that's Liao in a nutshell. Unless being crazy gets in the way of the victory bit.

Draconis are the opposite, though less so in recent years in the current timeline due to military reforms.

FRR doesn't really have a strong position either way. A lot of their military started off as guerrilla fighters against the Draconis Government however, so I'd say they'd probably lean more towards victory before pride. You don't win a guerrilla war by playing fair.

[Damon Howe]

Trick Question.

The answer is: Mead. Wenches. Space Viking.

[Captain Mediocre]

So guerrilla tactics, mead and wenches? Sounds good.

[Adridos]

Captain Mediocre, on 28 June 2013 - 07:53 AM, said:

So guerrilla tactics, mead and wenches? Sounds good.

And the benefit of being reduced to something even a pirate kingdom could laugh at by 3052.

Before anyone starts talking about being brave enough to stand up against the Clans... you got your backs kicked and the only reason you do still have those 7 planets is because someone else did all the fighting for you.

[GRIMM11]

False. Fight with honor Republic scum.

[Tannhauser Gate]

“Honor” needs to be defined here.

Loyalty and honor to your unit and your lancemates is certainly still observed by most players. Even many mercenaries aren’t willing to be truly “mercenary” and leave their compatriots to die They would at least fight to save them.

Players extending honor to the enemy still happens, albeit rarely, such as hold fire while a mech is shut down or accepting the request of a duel from the last member of a fallen team. It’s a fun way to end a game and shows players are confident in their skills enough to let the enemy have a duel.

Honor in the sense of zellbriggen where players agree to meet strict rules of enagagement would be rare but might in clan drops. But in PUGs I highly doubt that would ever happen.

Honor in the sense of personal codes where you simply do not use certain tactics (like controversial legging in previous MW games) has become passé and exists now only as a personal choice. Ive seen people hold their fire on a shut down mech in MWO so I know people still have personal codes.

So my answer is, yes honor exists even if its just between members of the same unit. MWO will not be like MW games of the past where things like legging are frowned upon. Lights are hard enough to hit as it is.


Edited for brevity.

Edited by LakeDaemon, 28 June 2013 - 08:43 AM.

[Liquid Leopard]

Honor

LakeDaemon, on 28 June 2013 - 08:30 AM, said:

Loyalty and honor to your unit and your lancemates is certainly still observed by most players. Even many mercenaries aren’t willing to be truly “mercenary” and leave their compatriots to die They would at least fight to save them.

Agreed.

Mahws, on 27 June 2013 - 06:57 PM, said:

FRR doesn't really have a strong position either way. A lot of their military started off as guerrilla fighters against the Draconis Government however, so I'd say they'd probably lean more towards victory before pride. You don't win a guerrilla war by playing fair.

In real life, you don't win ANY war by fighting fair.

[Went off on a tangent, then thought better of it.]

In a game, I think honor translates to sportsmanship. Unless you can hack the game (and I'm pretty sure PGI is on the lookout for that) we're all playing by the same rules, governed by the same software. Fairness is in PGIs hands! The matchmaking system is responsible for making sure each team has 8 people, similar tonnage, and whatever else it takes to make a fair and satisfying game.

What about the times the matchmaker drops you into a team, and you're short one player? Is that fair? No. What do you expect the other team to do to make it fair? If they've been playing for very long, they've probably seen a 7-person team beat an 8-person team. What if your team has 8 and the other side has 7? Does honor demand that you let yourselves lose to the 7-man team? Does sportsmanship mean you should team-kill someone to make the numbers match? No. But, sportsmanship means you don't act like an a$$ and talk junk when you're beating a 7-man team. If you say anything maybe it should be, "Good try guys. Sorry you were down a player."

What about all the times some troll brings a flamer to annoy me to death? Is that sportsmanship? Is that honorable? No, and try as I might I can't remember a flamer troll ever being an FRR player.

What if the flamer troll is on my side? Is it sportsmanship then? NO. The last time I saw one he was an embarrassment to our side, and cost us the game to boot.

What about when someone brings a dual AC/20 cheese build? Is that sportsmanship? It might qualify as gamesmanship... It's allowed by the rules/code/software, regardless of whether it makes for a good game. And how often is the perpetrator an FRR player? The ONE I know of built a cheese-Jager because he was tired of being on the receiving end so much.

The Free Rasalhague Republics honor and sportsmanship are doing just fine, as far as I'm concerned. Don't give us any lines about "republic scum" before you've culled your own faction of trolls and cheese-pilots.

Edited by Liquid Leopard, 28 June 2013 - 02:10 PM.

[Tannhauser Gate]

Fighting fair / honorable match imo would mean not using anything that interfers with a true skill vs skill match. My skill and my mech may utterly out match my opponent, or vice versa, but if we find ourselves battling face to face alone on the field... that would be a test of skill and therefore "honorable" imo. If 12 of my guys ambush 3 of their guys at once then thats just a battle. Im fine with "victory is true honor" but there are times when personal honor between two rival players can only be satisified with a duel.

Its great if you have 800 battles in MWO but its the 1 duel you have that you will remember more than the rest.. I guarantee it. So honor has its place. Winning battles is important of course but there times when you dont want to just be a cog in the machine and you want to jump into the breech yourself and fight duels.

[Damon Howe]

GRIMM11, on 28 June 2013 - 08:12 AM, said:

False. Fight with honor Republic scum.

I probably killed this guy with an AC40 Cicada.

[Tovan Cassidine]

Adridos, on 28 June 2013 - 08:10 AM, said:

And the benefit of being reduced to something even a pirate kingdom could laugh at by 3052.

Before anyone starts talking about being brave enough to stand up against the Clans... you got your backs kicked and the only reason you do still have those 7 planets is because someone else did all the fighting for you.

Well, that didn't take long. Can't say it's unexpected. Tiresome, yes, but not unexpected.

[Commander Kobold]

Do whatever gets you success with the least amount of effort/casualties/cost required.

[Caducus46]

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Before anyone starts talking about being brave enough to stand up against the Clans... you got your backs kicked and the only reason you do still have those 7 planets is because someone else did all the fighting for you.

lol, Monday quarterbacking by a JV player that sat on the bench.

[Aerik Lornes]

Honor means drinking in Valhalla rather than living under the yoke.

[Warge]

GRIMM11, on 28 June 2013 - 08:12 AM, said:

Fight with honor Republic scum.

"This isn't exactly the Olympic Games."

[Captain Mediocre]

Adridos, on 28 June 2013 - 08:10 AM, said:

And the benefit of being reduced to something even a pirate kingdom could laugh at by 3052.

Before anyone starts talking about being brave enough to stand up against the Clans... you got your backs kicked and the only reason you do still have those 7 planets is because someone else did all the fighting for you.

7 planets full of mead and wenches trumps a whole galaxy.

[Abivard]

What is good in Life?

Conan: To crush your enemies, drive them before you and hear the lamentations of their women!

Wrong!!!!!!!

FRR: To Crush your enemies, to steal their mead, and make their wenches wail in pleasure! That is what is good in Life to a Space Viking!

[Draxes]

Abivard, on 04 July 2013 - 05:22 AM, said:

What is good in Life?

FRR: To Crush your enemies, to steal their mead, and make their wenches wail in pleasure! That is what is good in Life to a Space Viking!

And this is now my new motto lol.

[Tovan Cassidine]

Abivard, on 04 July 2013 - 05:22 AM, said:

What is good in Life?

Conan: To crush your enemies, drive them before you and hear the lamentations of their women!

Wrong!!!!!!!

FRR: To Crush your enemies, to steal their mead, and make their wenches wail in pleasure! That is what is good in Life to a Space Viking!

Our enemies do not have mead to steal. They drink things called saki and wine. Some of them drink beer, so we could take that from them. And have you seen Liao and Draconis women? I'll definitely need more mead before I tackle that.

Captain Mediocre, on 03 July 2013 - 01:59 PM, said:

7 planets full of mead and wenches trumps a whole galaxy.

Damned straight!

Edited by Tovan Cassidine, 08 July 2013 - 03:24 PM.

[Ivar Miraborg]

Not quite sure what you are all talking about but I heard someone mention mead and wenches so I showed up.