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[Ningyo]

Tactics is using the most efficient method to secure a win.

Skill is being good at a specific method. For instance if you could consistently get 200+ damage games with 1+ kills using only flamers you would be very skilled with them, but you would be using a bad tactic. Whereas if you could get 700+ damage and 0 kills using a 4PPC stalker consistently (requires you to have really bad aim) you would be using good tactics but not be very skilled at them.

[Soy]

xDeityx, on 02 July 2013 - 11:59 AM, said:

We (those of on the forums pushing for this) are trying to change that dismal situation with balance suggestions from the guys who are spending lots of time competing in the game and breaking it, but we keep getting resistance from people who think that because the top guys are forced to use a PPC boat to compete that they therefore love PPC boating.

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[Hellcat420]

Roland, on 02 July 2013 - 04:48 AM, said:

Shutting down every shot IS maximizing your damage output. You will do less damage from not shutting down. This is part of the problem. Unless you are facing a good team who will headshot you when you shut down, you are free to just fire alpha strikes all the time.


THAT IS HOW YOU USE THEM.

Periodically, I see folks chainfiring their weapons, seemingly for no reason. You are doing it wrong.
Generally, in Mechwarrior, you want to alphastrike most of the time, because that will let you get one shot kills on mechs.

which is exactly why this game is broken. one shot kills should not happen.

[The pessimistic optimist]

Hellcat420, on 02 July 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

which is exactly why this game is broken. one shot kills should not happen.

Well yea they should but only rare cockpit shots.

[Roland]

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which is exactly why this game is broken. one shot kills should not happen.

Well, I dunno about that.

Killing a fresh Atlas through its head because the pilot is foolish enough to overheat and shut down right in front of me, and having that turn the tide of battle, is pretty freaking awesome. I think that's actually pretty fair, since they've resized the cockpit.

[Soy]

But headshots are a distilled essence of 'skill', at it's most pure form... right..?

[Hellcat420]

Soy, on 02 July 2013 - 05:11 PM, said:

But headshots are a distilled essence of 'skill', at it's most pure form... right..?

not when you have instant pinpoint weapon convergence. crom disaproves of your crutch cheese builds.

Edited by Hellcat420, 02 July 2013 - 05:27 PM.

[Soy]

Hey I'm just asking questions; if Crom knew me better, he'd would know I run awful builds and subpar weps all the time and enjoy them a lot... all I'm asking is whether or not this is what the community desires, cuz it's what we have right now at a certain threshold in the meta...

Edited by Soy, 02 July 2013 - 05:40 PM.

[Ningyo]

If a atlas shuts down in front of you and you have to chainfire your 4 ppc's at its head you will still kill it. The pinpoint alpha just makes it so you have that random chance to headshot a moving target too.

[Soy]

By the way you can put 16 armor on your head instead of 18 and still survive 3 ppc ^^

Headshots *have* to be a part of the game. Right..?

[TehSBGX]

Well Soy, I watched your video and the Answer became painfully opbvious what needs to happen to PPCs. Slow the Projectile speed down and raise the heat back to pre-buff levels. You didn't even need to lead targets usually, the damage seems instant.

[Corvus Antaka]

TehSBGX, on 02 July 2013 - 10:13 PM, said:

Well Soy, I watched your video and the Answer became painfully opbvious what needs to happen to PPCs. Slow the Projectile speed down and raise the heat back to pre-buff levels. You didn't even need to lead targets usually, the damage seems instant.

PPC travel time must come down. PPC is supposed to be a skilled weapon, and right now the flight time is WAY to fast and easy to hit with. cutting the travel time down will make hitting lights meds and hvys harder to hit if they move well, and a big plus to counterbalance their pinpoint damage over lasers.

[El Bandito]

Soy, on 02 July 2013 - 10:08 AM, said:

Bandito: Villz and I were training PEEF on the ways of big mechs last night, dont mind us

That's totally cool.

Just tell PEEFsmash that it is not so cool to make excuse about "This is my first time in a Heavy mech" when he already played 13 Dragons and 12 CTF-3D matches prior to our fight, and then says the exact same phrase in the next match as well. I realize hes got pride the size of Mount Everest, but sheesh--loosen up.

Cheers.

Edited by El Bandito, 03 July 2013 - 01:19 AM.

[Villz]

El Bandito, on 03 July 2013 - 01:18 AM, said:

That's totally cool.

Just tell PEEFsmash that it is not so cool to make excuse about "This is my first time in a Heavy mech" when he already played 13 Dragons and 12 CTF-3D matches prior to our fight, and then says the exact same phrase in the next match as well. I realize hes got pride the size of Mount Everest, but sheesh--loosen up.

Cheers.

says the LRM spammer rofl

[El Bandito]

Villz, on 03 July 2013 - 08:11 AM, said:

says the LRM spammer rofl

Well, if it isn't the guy who got caught in the open in Alpine Peaks and then cried foul.

1. My comment had nothing to do with me boating LRMs. Learn to correlate.

2. Sorry that I reduced your shiny PPC poptart into a pile of rubble, but you really should have positioned yourself better. Dying to LRMs and then QQing about it convinced me that you are not all that impressive, Villz.
What is the phrase you love to say when defending PPC spam? L2P?

I was hoping that you will actually impress me the second time we faced against each other yesterday, but you ran away, leaving your buddy "deforce" to eat my LRMs.

Edited by El Bandito, 03 July 2013 - 07:37 PM.

[Villz]

lrms on alpine .... skill .....

[Ragnar Darkmane]

Villz, on 04 July 2013 - 01:19 AM, said:

lrms on alpine .... skill .....

And PPCs on alpine are skill, huh?

[MaddMaxx]

Trauglodyte, on 02 July 2013 - 10:12 AM, said:

What are you when you don't run multiple PPCs? Dinner for wolves...

Someone who went to STAPLES one to many times?

[MaddMaxx]

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"because the top guys are forced to use a PPC boat to compete"

Now I have read some utter BS on these Forums, but this takes the cake. One would have thought, it would be the TOP guys who could best handle some load-out diversity and not be so one dimensional. Apparently the TOP guys are simple no better than the FOTM and the band-wagon they ride in.

[30ft SMURF]

I'm hesitant to say ppcs are op... They're clearly the most useful weapon system atm, but that could mean that other weapons are either underpowered or over nerfed. Gauss is rare in anything other than an assault these days and lrms are still useless in anything that can't hold at least 3-4 lrm 15's... Ac 2's are rather good, but you have to look at the target forever to make them count so not much chance of a torso twist to save your life which is also the problem with er large lasers... That being said the nerf to both gauss and lrms has made effective long range weapon systems, other than the ppc, much less useful to your team. We currently see the occasional gauss rifle or 4 lrm 15 stalker, but every round has someone using ppcs. Havn't seen a single game without them since I can't remember when. I've seen rounds without gauss or lrms... I see rounds without er large lasers all the time. Some kind of incentive to use a weapon system besides the ppc would be freaking awesome. Granted I frequently run small pulse as of late and still try to play my k2 gauss build on occasion, but I never see an enemy team w/out one ppc boat. Or more likely 2 or more ppc boats. Even in its hayday the K2 gauss build wasn't run by everybody but enough people bitched about it and now its nearly useless. I've been hearing people complain about ppcs now for a long time, but not a damn thing is done about it. We need balanced weapons systems... without it the game will always be overrun with people taking advantage of whatever is most effective and those of us who just want to play with a little bit of everything will continue to get f'd over by the metagame. Frankly we don't need any more mechs, paint jobs, cockpit items, modules, maps or even community warfare. What we need is weapon balance. Keep screwing that up and people will eventually move on to other games.