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[Magicbullet141]

I am tired of getting incompetent noobies for teammates who do nothing but give the other team free kills. With a W/L 1.14, is my ELO so low that I have to get stuck with them?

Edited by Magicbullet141, 09 July 2013 - 02:48 AM.

[FrDrake]

You posted your KDR, how about the one that actually impacts Elo which is the WLR?

[NinetyProof]

FrDrake, on 08 July 2013 - 11:33 AM, said:

You posted your KDR, how about the one that actually impacts Elo which is the WLR?

Don't forget ... it's also by weight class ... so he might have an ELO in the stratosphere for Assaults logging thousands of games, then he decides to try his first light EVAR and he is going to get dropped with n00bs.

Edited by NinetyProof, 08 July 2013 - 02:03 PM.

[Magicbullet141]

FrDrake, on 08 July 2013 - 11:33 AM, said:

You posted your KDR, how about the one that actually impacts Elo which is the WLR?

Silly me, I thought that k/d ratio would add to ELO, GUESS NOT.
W/L 1.14

[Further]

Having a high ELO isn't about being good, playing with good people, against good people

Its about putting bad people on your team as an anchor to make you lose so you have the right ELO.

I think it's a disgusting way to balance matches. As the noobs inherenly get exploded right away while the high elo players are forced to uneven odds. Nobody is happy.

Makes me rage so hard, I won't do anythign less than a 4-man drop these days.

[Lupin]

Likely also NOT having a large player pool to choose from and forced to complete team with what is available?

Edited by Lupin, 09 July 2013 - 05:39 AM.

[Hauser]

Further, on 09 July 2013 - 04:49 AM, said:

Its about putting bad people on your team as an anchor to make you lose so you have the right ELO.

I think it's a disgusting way to balance matches. As the noobs inherenly get exploded right away while the high elo players are forced to uneven odds. Nobody is happy.

Makes me rage so hard, I won't do anythign less than a 4-man drop these days.

The matchmaker is not trying to compensate for your awesomeness. Such hubris.

Rather the match maker starts out with a specific value in mind and looks for people near that value. You'll be playing against people with a similar Elo. So in general this means that if you think they suck, so do you.

Only when the matchmaker can't put a match together it will get less and less picky about which players it will put in the match. So it is possible that you play with a player that for better or worse doesn't belong on your team. But the matchmaker doesn't do that to screw you over. It's either that, a long wait before playing, or no match at all.

[Stoicblitzer]

don't you enjoy hardcore mode?

my w/l since elo was implemented:
Wins / Losses 1010 / 562

Edited by Stoicblitzer, 09 July 2013 - 06:46 AM.

[Purlana]

W/L of 1.14 doesn't really sound that good...? You only win a bit more then half your games, so that means your stuck at the average level.

Edited by Purlana, 09 July 2013 - 07:01 AM.

[Further]

Hauser, on 09 July 2013 - 05:31 AM, said:

The matchmaker is not trying to compensate for your awesomeness. Such hubris.

Rather the match maker starts out with a specific value in mind and looks for people near that value. You'll be playing against people with a similar Elo. So in general this means that if you think they suck, so do you.

Only when the matchmaker can't put a match together it will get less and less picky about which players it will put in the match. So it is possible that you play with a player that for better or worse doesn't belong on your team. But the matchmaker doesn't do that to screw you over. It's either that, a long wait before playing, or no match at all.

With my KDR of appx 4.0 Id like to know why I played a game last night with a trial mech and 3 others that did under 50 damage.

*Edit - This hasen't been uncommon.

Edited by Further, 09 July 2013 - 07:52 AM.

[Rocket Puppy]

Influx of new players and having the vast majority of players be pretty tightly packed in a small ELO range will lead to this.

[Braggart]

They need to drop ELO in favor of tiers. ELO does not work in a team game.

You earn your way up tiers, and never get teamed with or against people more than 2 tiers below you. With Equal tiering being the priority.

If the game is as healthy as PGI says, they should have no issues doing tiered matchmaking.

I feel your pain though, over 2000 games played also, and probably half pug and the other half as a 2/3 man group. Its sickening to watch people drop in trial mechs against me.

Edited by Braggart, 09 July 2013 - 08:01 AM.

[Bilbo]

Further, on 09 July 2013 - 07:52 AM, said:

With my KDR of appx 4.0 Id like to know why I played a game last night with a trial mech and 3 others that did under 50 damage.

*Edit - This hasen't been uncommon.

KDR has no real correlation with ELO. Wins and losses are the only things that effect ELO.

[Purlana]

The trial mechs can also be people goofing off. I faced 8 man groups that ran all trial mechs before.

[Braggart]

Purlana, on 09 July 2013 - 08:02 AM, said:

The trial mechs can also be people goofing off. I faced 8 man groups that ran all trial mechs before.

ah, but you can tell a good player from a bad. It happens quite often that I deal more damage than 3-4 of my teammates combined, and I'm only doing 400-500 damage myself.

[Rocket Puppy]

Braggart, on 09 July 2013 - 08:05 AM, said:

ah, but you can tell a good player from a bad. It happens quite often that I deal more damage than 3-4 of my teammates combined, and I'm only doing 400-500 damage myself.

Find some other players to play with. Working as a team can dramatically increase your fun and win percentage.

[Reptilizer]

FrDrake, on 08 July 2013 - 11:33 AM, said:

You posted your KDR, how about the one that actually impacts Elo which is the WLR?

Purlana, on 09 July 2013 - 06:58 AM, said:

W/L of 1.14 doesn't really sound that good...? You only win a bit more then half your games, so that means your stuck at the average level.

No guys, you are confusing the ratio with the placing in a bracket:

Bilbo, on 09 July 2013 - 08:02 AM, said:

KDR has no real correlation with ELO. Wins and losses are the only things that effect ELO.

W/L ratio will ALWAYS be around 1 when ELO is working properly.
If you win some more than you lose -> you move up until its around 1 again.
If you lose some more than you win -> you move down until you are around 1 again.

That is what ELO is actually about. Every W/L ratio far off 1 just means, that you come from an abysmal ELO bracket and are not there yet, you abused LURMageddon and come slowly down or that ELO is just not working at all (for you at least).


tl;dr: Wins to losses ratio tells you NOTHING AT ALL about your ELO bracket. Kthxbye

[Bilbo]

Reptilizer, on 09 July 2013 - 08:13 AM, said:

No guys, you are confusing the ratio with the placing in a bracket:



W/L ratio will ALWAYS be around 1 when ELO is working properly.
If you win some more than you lose -> you move up until its around 1 again.
If you lose some more than you win -> you move down until you are around 1 again.

That is what ELO is actually about. Every W/L ratio far off 1 just means, that you come from an abysmal ELO bracket and are not there yet, you abused LURMageddon and come slowly down or that ELO is just not working at all (for you at least).


tl;dr: Wins to losses ratio tells you NOTHING AT ALL about your ELO bracket. Kthxbye

I didn't say W\L said anything about your ELO bracket. I said wins and losses are the only things that affect it.

[Reptilizer]

Bilbo, on 09 July 2013 - 08:19 AM, said:

I didn't say W\L said anything about your ELO bracket. I said wins and losses are the only things that affect it.

And that is what i quoted you for, emphasizing it by underlining the important part "effect".

Cheers

[Braggart]

Reptilizer, on 09 July 2013 - 08:13 AM, said:

No guys, you are confusing the ratio with the placing in a bracket:



W/L ratio will ALWAYS be around 1 when ELO is working properly.
If you win some more than you lose -> you move up until its around 1 again.
If you lose some more than you win -> you move down until you are around 1 again.

That is what ELO is actually about. Every W/L ratio far off 1 just means, that you come from an abysmal ELO bracket and are not there yet, you abused LURMageddon and come slowly down or that ELO is just not working at all (for you at least).


tl;dr: Wins to losses ratio tells you NOTHING AT ALL about your ELO bracket. Kthxbye

Let me know when ELO stops using outside factors such as teaming you with people of drastically different ELOs, and giving 1 team half a dozen assaults, and your team 2.

ELO does not work in an environment that is based on teammates performance more than your own.