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[Sirius Drake]

Warnpeace, on 10 June 2012 - 07:45 AM, said:

Allright first I appreciate that they are bringing us the game free to play I can't help but feel like I got screwed along with other players.
The majority of people who have been supporting and watching and waiting for this game to go live have been stuck waiting with a giant yellow pending yet people who barely know what the name Mechwarrior ever referred too get full access right off the bat.
I understand that they wanted to see what the learning curve was could have gotten that information alot easier then denying the people who have supported the Mechwarrior community for well over a decade.
Personally I am sick and tired of waiting for the game devs to finally come out with "ok the game is ready to go sorry we didn't take any input from the true fans of the game but instead used a bunch of newb hampsters as a testring platform."
Personally I think i am going to go play something else for the next 6 months and show as much interest in playing and supporting this game as they have shown in allowing true Mechwarrior fans to play and be a part of creating Mechwarrior online.

not another one of this. please! stop the whine. thats incredible! why are here so many ppl that think being here for a longer time makes them better testers? i just dont get your point. dont you think a lot of "REAL MW FANZ!!!!!!1111" joined this forum later because they just didnt notice this game exists? yeah something like that can happen! we are not browsing the internet 24/7 to find a new MW game.

[Rajen]

I may not be the forum's most prolific poster, but I've at leasted more than TWICE!

Exercise some patience for the Devs, who work their butts off for an F2P game that has a very devoted following of Battletech/Mechwarrior veterans and fans. It's not like you've paid all kinds of $ to the company and you've been screwed!

Sorry for being so blunt, but grow the Hell up please!

[AKA NightFox]

Warnpeace, on 10 June 2012 - 07:45 AM, said:

Allright first I appreciate that they are bringing us the game free to play I can't help but feel like I got screwed along with other players.
The majority of people who have been supporting and watching and waiting for this game to go live have been stuck waiting with a giant yellow pending yet people who barely know what the name Mechwarrior ever referred too get full access right off the bat.
I understand that they wanted to see what the learning curve was could have gotten that information alot easier then denying the people who have supported the Mechwarrior community for well over a decade.
Personally I am sick and tired of waiting for the game devs to finally come out with "ok the game is ready to go sorry we didn't take any input from the true fans of the game but instead used a bunch of newb hampsters as a testring platform."
Personally I think i am going to go play something else for the next 6 months and show as much interest in playing and supporting this game as they have shown in allowing true Mechwarrior fans to play and be a part of creating Mechwarrior online.

First off how do you know who has made beta and who has not? You are are not in beta to comfirm this assumption.

[Major Tom]

Paewen, on 10 June 2012 - 08:21 AM, said:

This is the typical entitlement mentality prevalent these days. I don't understand why people think they are entitled to anything.

This is a easy one. Because the Devs announce every beta key give away on these forums. So the expectation is that people who support PGI and the forums will be at the front of the line. What PGI doesn't understand is that this demoralizes 99% of their fan base. They were once asked why they didn't change the "PENDING" status to "REJECTED" and the answer was "that would just be mean". No, it would be clearly setting expectations.
The smart move for PGI, would have been to handle their closed beta like most of other companies. CLOSED BETA, special invite only, no admittance, don't ask. Finally when you are ready you make a an OPEN BETA announcement, everyone is excited, and gets a chance to play. Everybody wins.

TLDR
PGI made marketing mistakes in the closed beta that enraged rather than excited their fans.

Edited by Major Tom, 10 June 2012 - 08:39 AM.

[Paewen]

cw roy, on 10 June 2012 - 08:31 AM, said:

@Paewen

Nice mass generalization of anyone born in the 80's.. You ALMOST had a like from me hehehe

I did say prevalent not all encompassing. But, that is one of the defining characteristics of Generation Y. More that 50% of the people in this generation experience this trait.

There are some really interesting books out ther on the differences between the generations, and while generalizations, they are fairly accurate. Generation Y has some VERY good characteristics, this is just one of the bad characteristics that surfaces frequently and noticably.

Edited by Paewen, 10 June 2012 - 08:49 AM.

[Drunktank]

Who cares who got beta keys and who deserves them more, it's not like we're waiting for some unknown date around Christmas-ish time.
For a game that was just announced last October we're only 37 days from launch.

[AlternateN]

Warnpeace, on 10 June 2012 - 07:45 AM, said:

Personally I think i am going to go play something else for the next 6 months and show as much interest in playing and supporting this game as they have shown in allowing true Mechwarrior fans to play and be a part of creating Mechwarrior online.

Ok. See ya.

[Roh]

I never said I was entitled. I said I was unreasonably angry. Not like emotions have switches. This would be a harmless little venting thread... Everyone coming in here raging over a couple people expressing themselves seem more like trolls to me then the OP.

[AKA NightFox]

One thing about a NDA (just for future reference). When signing the NDA it means you cannot release information about the game, no where does it say that you cannot say that you are in beta. I have beta tested sveral games in the past and a few of them were huge sellers. This is encase you want to challenge my knowledge on the NDA.

[Ettibber]

Paewen, on 10 June 2012 - 08:21 AM, said:

This is the typical entitlement mentality prevalent these days. I don't understand why people think they are entitled to anything. I would guess the poeple posting and whining are Generation Y (born 1980-1989), because the entitlement mentality is prevalent among this generation. The question is, what more do you have to offe the developers any more than those of us waiting? The answer is nothing, and probably a lot less than some of us.

i find this post to be offensive. can you be any more condescending?

[Xandre Blackheart]

Something tells me you're the kind of person that actually WOULD complain about getting screwed. Are you saying you don't like getting screwed? I'm unclear on this.

[XTRMNTR2K]

I don't see why I should feel screwed. I'm here, with a big bunch of people who love Battletech as much as I do, I know that there is a dedicated and highly professional team of people working hard at creating a new Mechwarrior game, and, best of all, I will be playing this game relatively soon; at the very least, sometime this year.


A big fat yellow "PENDING" button can't change the awesome feeling I get knowing that I'll be romping and stomping around in a mech again not too far in the future again.

[Roh]

AKA NightFox, on 10 June 2012 - 08:50 AM, said:

One thing about a NDA (just for future reference). When signing the NDA it means you cannot release information about the game, no where does it say that you cannot say that you are in beta. I have beta tested sveral games in the past and a few of them were huge sellers. This is encase you want to challenge my knowledge on the NDA.

Actually it is entirely possible for a NDA to state you can not disclose your involvement either. Ive been in betas where you could. But that doesnt mean every contract is exactly the same. That would be a little silly.

[Ettibber]

AKA NightFox, on 10 June 2012 - 08:50 AM, said:

One thing about a NDA (just for future reference). When signing the NDA it means you cannot release information about the game, no where does it say that you cannot say that you are in beta. I have beta tested sveral games in the past and a few of them were huge sellers. This is encase you want to challenge my knowledge on the NDA.

i've seen mmo's do it different ways. Vanguard you couldn't mention you were in beta, SW:TOR you could for example. and i do believe one of the devs mentioned that the nda did say you couldn't mention you were in beta.

[Tadakuma]

Warnpeace, on 10 June 2012 - 07:45 AM, said:

Allright first I appreciate that they are bringing us the game free to play I can't help but feel like I got screwed along with other players.
The majority of people who have been supporting and watching and waiting for this game to go live have been stuck waiting with a giant yellow pending yet people who barely know what the name Mechwarrior ever referred too get full access right off the bat.
I understand that they wanted to see what the learning curve was could have gotten that information alot easier then denying the people who have supported the Mechwarrior community for well over a decade.
Personally I am sick and tired of waiting for the game devs to finally come out with "ok the game is ready to go sorry we didn't take any input from the true fans of the game but instead used a bunch of newb hampsters as a testring platform."
Personally I think i am going to go play something else for the next 6 months and show as much interest in playing and supporting this game as they have shown in allowing true Mechwarrior fans to play and be a part of creating Mechwarrior online.

Grow up, just because your a big MW fan doesn't entitle you to a beta key. More importantly you clearly imply that the devs don't care about the Mechwarrior and battletech franchise.

Well these are people who have spent the last two years of their lives trying to get a game, which none of the major publishers wanted to see produced, made.0They have spent a vast amount of time and effort trying to make this a reality and in the case of the owners of Piranha Games they are taking an large financial risk to do so.

They are going against the perceived industry wisdom and putting canon at the heart of the game and even if MW:O doesn't work they have my respect for trying to make something different from what's available from the rest of the gaming industry.

You, by contrast, have your nose bent out of shape because you didn't get a beta key.

Well forgive me for not caring a bit about what you think, but your acting like a petulant child.

(to the rest of you my apologies for the outburst)

[Indocus]

Vodkavaiator, on 10 June 2012 - 07:49 AM, said:

Beta testing is not a method of rewarding long-term fans or supporters, rather it is a means of finding and removing bugs.

I don't quite understand how people have come to the conclusion that they are focusing on new players as opposed to old fans as well.

this could not be further from the truth if beta were solely for "testing" then why on earth would they SELL beta keys to any one willing to pony 30 to 60 buck its the greed of the gaming companies and the lack of patience on the gamers part that has cheapened the word BETA and turned it into a money making scheme and let us ask this what happens to our gear cash and stats we acquire during the closed beta that we are being allowed to BUY our way into. When the game goes live does it all go poof in the interest of FAIR PLAY and BALANCING for those whom could not find a extra 30 or simply just coming to the party late or does it remain in "BETA" so the company can easily explain away bug it hasn't fixed yet but still allows then to charge and make money for a incomplete product the whole idea of closed beta is a joke to most and a insult to others
me personally i would feel a lot better buying my way into early open beta then to say im buying my way in to a closed beta under the guise of a founders offer but yes i like most of you will be shelling out the cash for a founders pack i just might end up getting 2 packs and buying my way into "closed beta" so if i get my key before you all then woot for me and if not ill see you there after i buy my way in like the rest of us on july 17

[Ramien]

Major Tom, on 10 June 2012 - 08:38 AM, said:

This is a easy one. Because the Devs announce every beta key give away on these forums. So the expectation is that people who support PGI and the forums will be at the front of the line. What PGI doesn't understand is that this demoralizes 99% of their fan base. They were once asked why they didn't change the "PENDING" status to "REJECTED" and the answer was "that would just be mean". No, it would be clearly setting expectations.
The smart move for PGI, would have been to handle their closed beta like most of other companies. CLOSED BETA, special invite only, no admittance, don't ask. Finally when you are ready you make a an OPEN BETA announcement, everyone is excited, and gets a chance to play. Everybody wins.

TLDR
PGI made marketing mistakes in the closed beta that enraged rather than excited their fans.

I disagree. Every closed beta I've ever taken part in has done things in almost the exact same way as what is being done here - beta announcement is made with a sign-up page, and then people eventually start seeing emails saying they got in, since the beta sign up was often weeks or months before actual beta started. Nobody sends out 'sorry, you didn't get in' emails, because they do send them out in staggered waves. The only true difference is that here, we have a much better idea of how many keys are getting sent out in each wave and when they're being sent out.

All this feeding the echo chamber has to stop.

[Mchawkeye]

Warnpeace, on 10 June 2012 - 07:45 AM, said:

Allright first I appreciate that they are bringing us the game free to play I can't help but feel like I got screwed along with other players.
The majority of people who have been supporting and watching and waiting for this game to go live have been stuck waiting with a giant yellow pending yet people who barely know what the name Mechwarrior ever referred too get full access right off the bat.
I understand that they wanted to see what the learning curve was could have gotten that information alot easier then denying the people who have supported the Mechwarrior community for well over a decade.
Personally I am sick and tired of waiting for the game devs to finally come out with "ok the game is ready to go sorry we didn't take any input from the true fans of the game but instead used a bunch of newb hampsters as a testring platform."
Personally I think i am going to go play something else for the next 6 months and show as much interest in playing and supporting this game as they have shown in allowing true Mechwarrior fans to play and be a part of creating Mechwarrior online.

No I do not feel like I got screwed as I lack the painful sense of entitlement that seems to run through this forum.

Never once did the devs say "if you are here longest and contribute the most you'll get early access" to the beta or otherwise. What we did get was a chance to voice our opinions, meet some equally interested peeps and help shape the game. Maybe only a little, maybe a lot, who knows.

All I know is that I came here to support the game out of interest, not some sad need for self gratification.

[Temper Fire]

Warnpeace, on 10 June 2012 - 07:45 AM, said:

Allright first I appreciate that they are bringing us the game free to play I can't help but feel like I got screwed along with other players.
The majority of people who have been supporting and watching and waiting for this game to go live have been stuck waiting with a giant yellow pending yet people who barely know what the name Mechwarrior ever referred too get full access right off the bat.
I understand that they wanted to see what the learning curve was could have gotten that information alot easier then denying the people who have supported the Mechwarrior community for well over a decade.
Personally I am sick and tired of waiting for the game devs to finally come out with "ok the game is ready to go sorry we didn't take any input from the true fans of the game but instead used a bunch of newb hampsters as a testring platform."
Personally I think i am going to go play something else for the next 6 months and show as much interest in playing and supporting this game as they have shown in allowing true Mechwarrior fans to play and be a part of creating Mechwarrior online.

I've been a die hard mechwarrior fan sinse i was 12, played it religously and wanted to know everything that was battletech related. I understand how you are feeling about this but what we have to realize is there are new born mech players out there waiting to play! And if they got the first chance to see it then I think thats great! One of the main points of this game is to welcome the new just as much as the traditional players. I say let the new to mechwarrior play beta and we give em a good welcome once it's fully released

[Kreoss]

Warnpeace, on 10 June 2012 - 07:45 AM, said:

Allright first I appreciate that they are bringing us the game free to play I can't help but feel like I got screwed along with other players.
The majority of people who have been supporting and watching and waiting for this game to go live have been stuck waiting with a giant yellow pending yet people who barely know what the name Mechwarrior ever referred too get full access right off the bat.
I understand that they wanted to see what the learning curve was could have gotten that information alot easier then denying the people who have supported the Mechwarrior community for well over a decade.
Personally I am sick and tired of waiting for the game devs to finally come out with "ok the game is ready to go sorry we didn't take any input from the true fans of the game but instead used a bunch of newb hampsters as a testring platform."
Personally I think i am going to go play something else for the next 6 months and show as much interest in playing and supporting this game as they have shown in allowing true Mechwarrior fans to play and be a part of creating Mechwarrior online.

With all due respect, have some cheese with that whine.. We all wait eagerly for the pending to go green, just have patience.. if not, there are plenty of other MMO's that are free to play out there.