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[ArmandTulsen]

They're a poor man's assault that act more like a beefier heavy. The assault portion of the Victor the Highlander can do better. It feels more like a Dragon with better armor, seeing as how its weaponry is gimped for its class relative to how the Dragon has less firepower for a heavy. It has a very niche role (assault skirmisher) that doesn't even need filling most of the time. I've never been in a fight where I thought to myself, "damn, I wish I was using a Victor," or, "man, we really need a Victor on our team right about now."
I can't believe I wasted close to 16M CB buying and upgrading one.
Just buy Highlanders. Seriously.

Edited by ArmandTulsen, 18 July 2013 - 04:29 PM.

[One Medic Army]

Just because you don't enjoy running something that can go faster than 60kph doesn't mean that others feel the same way.

[Weaselball]

But tell us how you really feel.

[ArmandTulsen]

I'm not talking about enjoyment, I'm talking about utility, FFS.

[Bishop Steiner]

lolz.

Or learn how to pilot, and what it's role is. I'll tear any highlander's head off and pizz on it's reactor, one on one in my Victor. Almost as good of armor as a Stalker, easily able to deliver a 60+ alpha withoput cheeze or heat multipliers, JJS and near 80 kph speed, while almost never looking at my heat scale.

Methinks you need to work on the "piloting" part of piloting. It's a horrible turret, and a mediocre sniper. Both of those are roles for people who can't pilot anyhow.

[Weaselball]

One Medic Army, on 18 July 2013 - 04:29 PM, said:

Just because you don't enjoy running something that can go faster than 60kph doesn't mean that others feel the same way.

This. I have 2 Mastered Atlases, 3 Elited Highlanders and, now, 2 Victors. Their speed is what makes them nice. I can keep up with most heavies and not get left behind, while having more than enough firepower to destroy mechs I run up on.

[Davoke]

Was melting faces with one in the 12v12 test tonight. 3xSRM6, AC20, 2xMLas, and 73kph of speed was pretty awesome

[Nauht]

Had a match last night where there were 5 Victors and 1 Awesome. Thought to myself, uh-oh we're gonna get creamed cos the other side will have Atlases, Highlanders and Stalkers.

And they did... 3 DDC's, 2 Stalkers, 1 sniper 732. Not one Victor.

We won 8-0.

There are just too many factors that come into how a match is decided with the type of mech ranked low on thhe scale for me.

[One Medic Army]

ArmandTulsen, on 18 July 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

I'm not talking about enjoyment, I'm talking about utility, FFS.

How about the fact it can run comparable loadouts to a lot of Cataphract builds, but faster and with more armor?

Assault is a weigh class, it's not a descriptor of role or usage.

[King Arthur IV]

i think the victor is alot better then the awesomes and i only own awesomes. all my friends own the victor now and they are all hitting hard and hitting fast.
i pwn highlanders and atlass with the awe 8v. my friends pwn with any victor.

Edited by King Arthur IV, 19 July 2013 - 01:36 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

One Medic Army, on 18 July 2013 - 04:43 PM, said:

How about the fact it can run comparable loadouts to a lot of Cataphract builds, but faster and with more armor?

Assault is a weigh class, it's not a descriptor of role or usage.

Shhhh! Stop speaking sense!

Something doesn't fit somebodies personal style, so it must be a BAD, and it is his duty to inform all of us peons that we are wasting precious time and intrawebz monopoly money on the BAD. Giant stompy robots are seriuz biznez. Me averaging 500 damage and 2 kills a match, and not uncommonly scoring 4-5 kills and 6-900 damage does not stop it from being a bad. Not even when so doing against high ELO 8 mans where I personally kill 2 Highlanders, and Atlas and a Cataphract with my BAD.

Victor is Just BAD. Pro-Gamer OP says so!

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 18 July 2013 - 04:54 PM.

[Skadi]

Bishop Steiner, on 18 July 2013 - 04:31 PM, said:

lolz.

Or learn how to pilot, and what it's role is. I'll tear any highlander's head off and pizz on it's reactor, one on one in my Victor. Almost as good of armor as a Stalker, easily able to deliver a 60+ alpha withoput cheeze or heat multipliers, JJS and near 80 kph speed, while almost never looking at my heat scale.

Methinks you need to work on the "piloting" part of piloting. It's a horrible turret, and a mediocre sniper. Both of those are roles for people who can't pilot anyhow.

Yoooou forgot the part where you need a XL to go decent speed... aka scuicide.

[Bishop Steiner]

Skadi, on 18 July 2013 - 04:55 PM, said:

Yoooou forgot the part where you need a XL to go decent speed... aka scuicide.

LOZ. Don't make me call you a BAD too, Skadi.

XL in a Victor is only suicide for those who can't pilot. XL works fine in a Vic, just like they have been run fine in Highlanders since they came out. The myth is that Assaults cannot run XLs. The Altas and Stalker can't, for the most part, because NOTHING makes either mobile and both have pretty easy to core side torsos. Who knows with the Awesome, it gets CT cored out most times so fast, it's a moot point. But VTRs and HGNs? Shine with XLs. And the Victor does so better than the HGN because I can mount just as much firepower, nearly as much armor but have WAY superior mobility. Donkey Kong arms catch a lot of incoming fire.

If I get caught flatfooted on Alpine by an enemy team, yes I am toast. Guess what? I'm toast in an Atlas or Stalker in that situation, too. But in my experience, I can avoid getting caught flatfooted more often with the Victor in the first place. (both times you got me out I was PUGing and rather lost the lottery. Not saying I would have taken you, but I would at least not have been facing half your bloody team with some decent PUG support)

Suicide has been the times I tried running the thing WITHOUT an XL. Porky engine for the speed with the firepower of a Dragon! Woohoo!

Yoooouuuu forgot the part where there is more than one way to drive a mech my friend!

[Khavi Vetali]

Bishop Steiner, on 18 July 2013 - 04:31 PM, said:

I'll tear any highlander's head off and pizz on it's reactor, one on one in my Victor.

I'll take you up on that sometime Bishop. Your 9S versus my 733C. Maybe next time we sync. As for the thread, I have no comment about the viability of Victors. I like them, personally.

[B0oN]

Victors ?
Actually works, as the name is intending

[Bishop Steiner]

Look forward to it bro! I think we traded off decently in our 8 mans, didn't we? I don't remember if I got to shoot you much, or vice versa though. I am trying to keep stuff sorted but I think we dropped 3x? And ya'll took 2?

*Shrugs* Fun fights regardless. And I hardly count myself as an elite pilot. I just find that while I might lose some (liek everyone does) I absolutely have ZERO "worry" about being outgunned by HGNs or Atlases.

I'm more worried about those damn SPiders......

[T0RC4ED]

I find the Victor is a B!t(4 to kill from time to time thus must be a nice ride... going to get them after i finnish my quickdraws.

[Sybreed]

it'll be more useful with tonnage limits. Saving 20 tons can mean a lot.

[Skadi]

Bishop Steiner, on 18 July 2013 - 05:02 PM, said:

LOZ. Don't make me call you a BAD too, Skadi.

XL in a Victor is only suicide for those who can't pilot. XL works fine in a Vic, just like they have been run fine in Highlanders since they came out. The myth is that Assaults cannot run XLs. The Altas and Stalker can't, for the most part, because NOTHING makes either mobile and both have pretty easy to core side torsos. Who knows with the Awesome, it gets CT cored out most times so fast, it's a moot point. But VTRs and HGNs? Shine with XLs. And the Victor does so better than the HGN because I can mount just as much firepower, nearly as much armor but have WAY superior mobility. Donkey Kong arms catch a lot of incoming fire.

If I get caught flatfooted on Alpine by an enemy team, yes I am toast. Guess what? I'm toast in an Atlas or Stalker in that situation, too. But in my experience, I can avoid getting caught flatfooted more often with the Victor in the first place. (both times you got me out I was PUGing and rather lost the lottery. Not saying I would have taken you, but I would at least not have been facing half your bloody team with some decent PUG support)

Suicide has been the times I tried running the thing WITHOUT an XL. Porky engine for the speed with the firepower of a Dragon! Woohoo!

Yoooouuuu forgot the part where there is more than one way to drive a mech my friend!

Im not bad Bishop, and im willing to prove that anyday, but XL's in anything above a light I consider scuicide, it just dies to easily, and no the speed wont help you in a mech the size of a victor against people who know how to aim using the high alpha meta... it is what it is.

Edited by Skadi, 19 July 2013 - 03:41 PM.

[KharnZor]

Good to have an assault capable of such mobility and firepower without having to submit too much to the current meta.
L2p OP