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[PanzerFurrry]

TAG provides bonuses to target acquisition times, missile lock-on times and so on. However there is one thing I do not understand.
If you are having enemy mech in LOS targeted with TAG and this mech powers down (intentional or due to overheat), you will loose the lock, even if you have him painted with TAG before and during shutdown.
Without TAG, loosing the lock is intentional. But with target painter, wouldn't it be more appropriate to not loose the lock (or even obtain it)? About the same way you can get a lock on on a mech under ECM (>200 m) and with BAP (<120 m)?


This is only an observation, not a complaint, I was just wondering if there are any balance reasons behind this?

[Bilbo]

That's part of what BAP does.

[Sprouticus]

BAP onlly works under 400m though.

I like this idea. Heck, I would like this idea even if you required BAP to enable TAG to paint shut down mechs. (but beyond 400m).

[El Bandito]

Sprouticus, on 19 July 2013 - 06:58 AM, said:

BAP onlly works under 400m though. I like this idea. Heck, I would like this idea even if you required BAP to enable TAG to paint shut down mechs. (but beyond 400m).

BAP works only under 120 meters if I remember.

[PanzerFurrry]

Well, BAP shares some of the attributes with TAG, one of them is the passive ability to totally counter one mech under ECM bubble (<150 m). In contrast, TAG counters one mech under ECM bubble (>200 m, target must be painted for the duration of the lock).

The difference is, BAP has a passive ability to target powered down mechs (<120 m). But that is of no use to missile boats, since you aren't able to damage a mech <180 m with LRMs.

I am not saying TAG should also have an ability to target powered down mech, I am asking if somebody knows if there are any rules for TAG and targeting, since I couldn't find any, and that particular detail has bothered me for a long time.

Edited by PanzerFurrry, 19 July 2013 - 09:15 AM.

[Ningyo]

I have thought TAG should do this for a while, NARC should too. Both of these are active guidance systems that do not rely on the mechs sensors picking up on the enemy mechs reactor/electrical systems. So they should work even when those are not active.

[Deathlike]

I believe TAG works against powered down mechs actually...

I could be wrong, but it should still operate.

[Ningyo]

nope definitely does not work, you can still dumbfire your missiles at them but you can do that without TAG, and if they powerup and move you miss for sure, so only works well at 200-250m above that odds are they will be gone before missiles hit.

[Unbound Inferno]

TAG helps identify and pinpoint powered mechs, part of the mechanism of the laser somehow. It does not work on powered down mechs.

[Xmith]

Deathlike, on 19 July 2013 - 12:02 PM, said:

I believe TAG works against powered down mechs actually...

I could be wrong, but it should still operate.

It does work against powered down mechs. I tried powering down to break lock from a mech but because they had tag, I was still peppered with lrms.

[Ningyo]

If LRMs have a lock on you and you power down, you are GUARANTEED to be hit by them. LRMs once they lose a target continue to the last point the target was at, which if you power down is exactly where you are.

We are talking about a different issue of being able to lock target on a powered down mech in the first place.

[Xmith]

Ningyo, on 19 July 2013 - 01:35 PM, said:

If LRMs have a lock on you and you power down, you are GUARANTEED to be hit by them. LRMs once they lose a target continue to the last point the target was at, which if you power down is exactly where you are.

We are talking about a different issue of being able to lock target on a powered down mech in the first place.

Ok. Got it. Thanks.

[Tennex]

thats a good idea

[Takony]

If you have LOS you can just dumbfire your LRMs on the powered down mech, aim it with your crosshair and let loose. Of course timing is critical. As for spotters painting powered down mechs, well not a bad idea but too situational to matter imho.

[Taemien]

TAG not working on powered down mechs is either a bug or an oversight and should probably be reported as such. Narc would be under the same thing.

[Unbound Inferno]

Xmith, on 19 July 2013 - 01:30 PM, said:

It does work against powered down mechs. I tried powering down to break lock from a mech but because they had tag, I was still peppered with lrms.

You got peppered because the missils were still incoming to your last location where you powered down. Nothing to do with the rest of that.

[General Taskeen]

FYI, in case anyone is wondering, TAG gains the ability to "draw in" Semi-Guided LRM munitions towards whatever a TAG is pointing at. Semi-Guided LRM munitions don't come out until later in the time line, however. TAG also has that ability with Arrow IV missiles.

http://www.sarna.net...Semi-Guided_LRM

Since MW:LL takes place during that later time, they opted to make all LRMs the "semi-guided" munition type to use with TAG. Video example below:



Technically NARC should be doing the same thing with the current timeline munitions we have now for SRMs and LRMs. SRM and LRM missiles could be upgraded at "double cost" to be "narc-seeking" capable.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Narc

"Also SRMs and LRMs equipped to track the Narc homing signal cost twice as much as standard munitions."

MW3, MW4, and MW:LL all opted to have SRM and/or LRM ammo as the "upgraded" srm and lrm ammo that could auto-track NARC beacons, thus making NARC useful for its tonnage and competitive to use for varying situations and multi-functional with any SRM or LRM. Which is often why I have stated that for NARC to ever be useful for its tonnage it needs these multi-functional features.

Edited by General Taskeen, 19 July 2013 - 03:49 PM.