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GreatBeer, on 21 July 2013 - 08:38 AM, said:

Just so we're clear: If we agree with your decisions its "feedback" and if we don't its "noise". Is that about right?

It is similar to the reasoning behind the electoral college. You might accidentally vote the wrong way, so fortunately there is a mechanism there to correct that.

Edited by DisasterMedic, 21 July 2013 - 08:49 AM.

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Wales Grey, on 20 July 2013 - 09:52 PM, said:

I'm not sure if it's really classified as "noise" when all of the competent long-term players are sounding off in harmony about how awful the patch was.

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101011, on 21 July 2013 - 07:09 AM, said:

My apologies, I only skimmed the Wraith article, and apparently totally missed out on the numerous IS things. I am not arguing that it should become Battletech, there are many reasons it should not, I am arguing that generalists are not always inferior to specialists. So, let's see: Wraith, introduced 3055(?), Catapult, introduced 2561. So, a 'mech built 500 years later is superior? Wow! Devastator, introduced 3036, Atlas, introduced 2755. (281 year difference) See the pattern? Let's go a bit forward in time.
Argus (60 tons, introduced 4 years after Wraith) Armed with RAC 5, 2 ERML, MG, LRM10. 5/8 movement.
Wraith (55 tons, introduced 4 years before Argus) Armed with LPL, 2 MPL. 7/11/7 movement.
These would be a more even match.
Imp (100 tons, introduced 14 years after Devastator) Armed with 2 ERPPC’s, LRM15, LPL, 2 MPL, 2 ML. 3/5 movement.
Devastator (100 tons, introduced 14 years before Devastator) Armed with 2 GR, 2 ERPPC’s, 4 ML. 3/5 movement.
Another even match. Overall, the Imp trades the 2 gauss rifles for LRM’s and a LPL, and upgrades half the ML’s to MPL’s.

Yeah, I admit I kind of went for the first mechs that popped into my mind for the comparisons. I guess some better comparisons between mechs would be:

• Griffin vs. Wolverine
  
• Uh, almost any Medium vs. Shadow Hawk
  
• Awesome vs. Zeus
  
• Atlas II vs. Devastator DVS-2
  
• King Crab - 0000 vs. Atlas-D

Another thing to keep in mind with the comparisons is that Battletech brawling/sniping is very different from MWO's brawling/sniping. Either way, the Hellstar was pretty much the endpoint of the "optimal design" minigame until Catalyst gave the Scientist Caste Rebellion iATMs...

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Wales Grey, on 21 July 2013 - 07:47 PM, said:

Another thing to keep in mind with the comparisons is that Battletech brawling/sniping is very different from MWO's brawling/sniping. Either way, the Hellstar was pretty much the endpoint of the "optimal design" minigame until Catalyst gave the Scientist Caste Rebellion iATMs...

Yeah, the Hellstar...well. I guess what I'm trying to say is that there is always at least one situation where a generic 'Mech would defeat a specialist 'mech, but then again, this video demonstrates that pretty clearly.

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There's a good reason tabletop players don't like people who use Hellstars and consider them boring.