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[Bonkahe]

Pretty simple, is it possible to function with two ultra ac/5s on the right arm? I know its physically possible to put two on there, I'm just wondering if its viable in any stretch of the imagination.

[Aym]

Uhh.... no, the ammo requirement in addition to the weight of those guns is going to severely hamper you.

[Fire and Salt]

Nope. 1x ultra uac5 and 2 mdlas is fun, I've used it. You may be able to fit medium pulse lasers if you like beam dakka, but then you will be slow...

[zraven7]

It's entirely feasible, but it would be a very niche build. You'd build and play more like a medium. But, yeah, you could do it.

[Bonkahe]

I just wondered because one ultra ac/5 was wrecking even mediums and heavys, thought it might be interesting to try two, as far as I know the ravens the cheapest mech who can have a uac/5 on an arm, also the fastest.

[Skydrive]

Bonkahe, on 23 July 2013 - 09:01 AM, said:

I just wondered because one ultra ac/5 was wrecking even mediums and heavys, thought it might be interesting to try two, as far as I know the ravens the cheapest mech who can have a uac/5 on an arm, also the fastest.

I've actually seen a Spider running an UAC5 once... though don't recall if that was from a Twitch stream video or my own gaming experience. Seemed mobile enough in the River City Night map though.

[Redshift2k5]

Technically two UAC5s can fit in the arm, but the issue is you can't really get enough tonnage to bring ammunition, an engine and the requisite 10 heatsink minimum if you have two UAC5s. sorry! you need to go up to the Blackjack to be minimally viable with two ultra5s

[Aym]

Yeah, after playing around with mechromancer it's a terrible build no matter how you play it. Sorry.

[Koniving]

Bonkahe, on 23 July 2013 - 08:31 AM, said:

Pretty simple, is it possible to function with two ultra ac/5s on the right arm? I know its physically possible to put two on there, I'm just wondering if its viable in any stretch of the imagination.

While it is possible, it is not practical. Two times 9 is 18 + 4 tons engine + 4 tons heatsinks + armor + ammo. You'd only be able to carry 2 tons of ammo unless you strip your armor completely, which is absolutely useless.

An AC/20 would make considerably more sense. Between an XL 170 engine, 100% front armor and high leg armor, and treat the Raven 4X as a Hunchback 4G or 4H. With this rig you can do up to 5 tons of ammo without sacrificing much armor. Or you can do 3 tons of ammo, 2 small lasers as a backup, and 2 jumpjets. Or any trade off you deem fit, such as additional armor, even more jumpjets, or a 2.5 tons for a streak and some ammo just in case (but then you'd need a bap, etc...it's not worth it.)

Loadout at mechbay (3 tons ammo) and two shots.

Spoiler

You can also get away with twin AC/2s with the same build and a bigger engine with the 2 tons you save.

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The problem most people have with either build is that they encounter the enemy and automatically do one of three things: They charge head on. They stand still. They decide to run.

Dead. Dead. Dead.

Instead, use the element of stealth. Sneak up to an enemy while everyone is busy. Take on enemies one on one, preferably from behind. If it's possible, get within 2 meters before firing directly into a rear side torso. Chances are you'll take out their weapons between the AC/20 and 6 damage from 2 small lasers. If not, your 2 small lasers will be ready to fire again to finish the job in less than 2 seconds. Just enough time to re-line that shot up to fire again.

Stealth and surprise are everything. You don't want people to know where you are. If you do, you die. It's got a lot of fire power for its size and in a good fight where you go unnoticed, it's an easy win.

I once chose to follow an ER PPC stalker in a Trial 4X Raven. Stood next to him as he engaged another PPC stalker. I was completely ignored as I used my MGs and lasers into the side of the stalker. Easy kill. We stumble along and again, totally ignored. Cockpited the next guy.

Same premise goes for the AC/20 Raven. Go unnoticed if possible.
Vids. Versus Spiders (before HSR!)
Twin AC/20 Ravens Escort missions
Invading River City and brawling against assaults.

I hope that helps.
Loadout -- An older version of the design used in those videos.

Edited by Koniving, 23 July 2013 - 10:51 AM.

[Bonkahe]

I just hooked up two uac/5's to a raven, the result is the single most hilarious thing I have ever seen, I walk like 5 miles an hour and am incredibly easy to kill, but if I get behind somone in about 5 seconds their dead.

[Bonkahe]

Now there is a bad side, when somone starts getting hit they flip out and everyone focuses me, just played a game where were all fighting and I walk in and open up, I have em set to one and two, so with a little bit of focus I'm able to keep a constant flow without worry of jamming, dropped an atlas and then everybody and their brother opened up on me, worth it definently though.

[Alaskan Nobody]

Skydrive, on 23 July 2013 - 09:35 AM, said:

I've actually seen a Spider running an UAC5 once... though don't recall if that was from a Twitch stream video or my own gaming experience. Seemed mobile enough in the River City Night map though.

Qwilliy pilots one of those. From how much he talks of it, seems by far his favorite Spider

[MonkeyCheese]

an AC2 and AC5 works well, and I have done 2 AC2s before but you cant carry the ammo for that kind of match long dps.

[Koniving]

Bonkahe, on 23 July 2013 - 12:34 PM, said:

I just hooked up two uac/5's to a raven, the result is the single most hilarious thing I have ever seen, I walk like 5 miles an hour and am incredibly easy to kill, but if I get behind somone in about 5 seconds their dead.

We call these joke builds because they are insanely fun. Here's another using a Raven.

Skydrive, on 23 July 2013 - 09:35 AM, said:

I've actually seen a Spider running an UAC5 once... though don't recall if that was from a Twitch stream video or my own gaming experience. Seemed mobile enough in the River City Night map though.

I've had them. They are fun.

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A single UAC/5 isn't a big deal on a Raven, you can even back it up with decent weapons such as an LRM -- just stay at range. A UAC/5 and a few ML or MPL isn't bad either.