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[WolvesX]

The stupid, it burns.

Edited by WolvesX, 18 July 2013 - 01:00 AM.

[Training Instructor]

Yeah, I don't think I can recall any open beta threads where anyone seriously claimed the 9-laser hback or 8 laser BJ-1X were a problem.

The medium laser threshold is 6, which happens to coincide with how many a Stalker, Jenner, or Cicada can carry.

Why did the BJ-1X and Hback get bent over the barrel?

What logic was behind that?

[One Medic Army]

To be fair, before the SRM revival the Bunch-P and Blackjack-1X were completely overpowered compared to other mediums.
Not in the slightest OP in the overall sense, but them being decent was preventing us from seeing how terrible mediums in general are.

And yeah, I don't see a reason why the Heat boating penalties affect medium lasers at all.

Edited by One Medic Army, 17 July 2013 - 11:08 PM.

[Ewigan]

Wolves: just DON'T Alpha.

Problem solved mate!

[FupDup]

Ewigan, on 17 July 2013 - 11:23 PM, said:

Wolves: just DON'T Alpha.

Problem solved mate!

Because spreading damage and exposing oneself to enemy fire longer is an effective way to play, amirite?

[WolvesX]

One Medic Army, on 17 July 2013 - 11:08 PM, said:

To be fair, before the SRM revival the Bunch-P and Blackjack-1X were completely overpowered compared to other mediums.
Not in the slightest OP in the overall sense, but them being decent was preventing us from seeing how terrible mediums in general are.

And yeah, I don't see a reason why the Heat boating penalties affect medium lasers at all.

OP? HBK? BJ? Other game maybe?

[Dreamslave]

Hunchbacks haven't been a threat since before September and the BJ is literally made of paper. Now they are even weaker. I can't imagine why PGI won't apply these new restrictions per chassis instead of one broad sweep across all mechs. It's silly.

Edited by Dreamslave, 18 July 2013 - 01:00 AM.

[Ralgas]

because should we get tonnage restriction they become very op for their weight. Same as the Llas, laugh if you will but 3 + an ac would be same as/worse than 2ppc/gauss assuming you get close enough......

Edit: And people say it's pgi that balances from a bubble

Edited by Ralgas, 18 July 2013 - 01:12 AM.

[Dreamslave]

Ralgas, on 18 July 2013 - 01:04 AM, said:

because should we get tonnage restriction they become very op for their weight

Hardly. The hunchbacks are easily neutered, have horrific silhouettes and their arms are so tiny they cannot be used as shields. The BJ is even worse off since it's arms are literally useless for soaking damage, a lot of firepower is on those arms, those arms are easily blown off or completely bypassed and they have terrible armor.

Neither mech is top tier for the medium class, so even with weight restrictions, top tier players still won't be using them. Hell, I sincerely hope people DO use them, because both mechs are very easily neutered/destroyed.

[One Medic Army]

WolvesX, on 18 July 2013 - 12:59 AM, said:

OP? HBK? BJ? Other game maybe?

Read the rest of it...
Like perhaps the part I bolded and italicized to keep people from ignoring it...

[Amsro]

Ralgas, on 18 July 2013 - 01:04 AM, said:

because should we get tonnage restriction they become very op for their weight.
Edit: And people say it's pgi that balances from a bubble

You will not get much support on this theory, I have yet to see an over abundance of OP hunchbacks. You see a hunchback you don't like... destroy the shoulder ..move on.

Cicada's (light mech really) and Centurion's (near invincible) are the popular choice for mediums. The rest battle for the scraps.

[GODzillaGSPB]

FupDup, on 17 July 2013 - 11:27 PM, said:

Because spreading damage and exposing oneself to enemy fire longer is an effective way to play, amirite?

"Bohoo, I hate playing by the rules." Is that it? This is beta, rules can change. Deal with it.

[Amsro]

GODzillaGSPB, on 18 July 2013 - 01:30 AM, said:

"Bohoo, I hate playing by the rules." Is that it? This is beta, rules can change. Deal with it.

If you have the ability to aim at the hunch.... well bye bye hunchback. These mechs were already a dime a dozen, fragile, speed nerfed and now they are also neutered.

I don't see how this is a complaint to "playing by the rules".

An increase in "rules" implies the system is broken, why not fix the system instead of making more rules.

Slowing down or heating up ER/PPC's would have been much simpler, easier and quicker then this new mask we received. If not for the SRM buff you wouldn't have seen much of a change to the meta.

[Jam the Bam]

Just wait .5 of a second then fire again, the whole point of these patches is to reduce the ability of everyone to simply alpha all the time, and its doing the job.

I never felt the need to alpha all 9 anyway.