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[TehSBGX]

http://goo.gl/tkYH3

Yep, swap an ac/20 for two srm6. With the weight saved you can pump armor a bit and be slightly less squishy. Damage is almost as good too.

Gee it looks like Paul's follly hasn't put a dent in brawling Jagers after all.

Seriously though, I'm not even a good player and I figured a pretty easy way to have a brawling jager while getting around the heat scale. I'm sure high end players switched to this config within an hour.

[Felicitatem Parco]

TehSBGX, on 21 July 2013 - 05:57 PM, said:

http://goo.gl/tkYH3

Yep, swap an ac/20 for two srm6. With the weight saved you can pump armor a bit and be slightly less squishy. Damage is almost as good too.

Gee it looks like Paul's follly hasn't put a dent in brawling Jagers after all.

Seriously though, I'm not even a good player and I figured a pretty easy way to have a brawling jager while getting around the heat scale. I'm sure high end players switched to this config within an hour.

You're right, it's easy to place an AC/20 and 12 SRMs all into the CT of a Mech that's moving sideways relative to you in one volley...

.. well, actually, i might take that one back. 2xSRM6 and an AC/20 do not place 40dmg in one spot in one volley -> missile spread + different projectile velocities. Besides, I usually run 2xSRM6 and a Gauss Rifle to get some long-range punch out of it.

[Lynx7725]

Uh yeah, I think you missed the point of being able to put 40 points in one location. While decent, a SRM12 spread is not a replacement for an AC20 -- it serves a different purpose.

Actually, it might be worse. At least previously I can rely on the twin AC20s to deliver a bit of damage up to 500m. Now I only have one -- the enemy is perfectly safe at 275m.

[TehSBGX]

Theres a reason I said the damage is "Almost as good" it's not pinpoint but it's still painfull.

[Lucian Nostra]

If you where going to swap in srms just change to gauss rifles.

Same pinpoint awesomeness of the ac/20s, no heat at all and you get range with them to boot!

No it can't headcap like the mighty ac/40 but I prefered twin gauss overall and it's far better than some srms tossed in.

[Gaan Cathal]

TehSBGX, on 21 July 2013 - 05:57 PM, said:

Gee it looks like Paul's follly hasn't put a dent in brawling Jagers after all.

Seriously though, I'm not even a good player and I figured a pretty easy way to have a brawling jager while getting around the heat scale. I'm sure high end players switched to this config within an hour.

So? Brawling Jaegers weren't the problem. 40 damage pinpoint was is the problem.

Edited by Gaan Cathal, 21 July 2013 - 06:47 PM.

[One Medic Army]

I'd be more likely to run this: http://mwo.smurfy-ne...f6f131c6de5873b
Or just drop the SRMs for another PPC and a bunch of heatsinks.

[Lynx7725]

One Medic Army, on 21 July 2013 - 07:06 PM, said:

I'd be more likely to run this: http://mwo.smurfy-ne...f6f131c6de5873b
Or just drop the SRMs for another PPC and a bunch of heatsinks.

Truth be told I'd just stick with the good ole GunJaeger. Still works, takes a bit more skill to use, might need to tweak the 300XL down to get a bit more heat sinks, but that's about it for me.

[TehSBGX]

Gaan Cathal, on 21 July 2013 - 06:46 PM, said:

So? Brawling Jaegers weren't the problem. 40 damage pinpoint was is the problem.

Considering how easily a side torso can get ripped up, being a glass cannon so you can hut hard really isn't a problem. XL Engines and gaint side torsos make for an easy kill. If you think Jagers are so OP, try piloting one. It's definatly not ez mode.

[One Medic Army]

Lynx7725, on 21 July 2013 - 07:08 PM, said:

Truth be told I'd just stick with the good ole GunJaeger. Still works, takes a bit more skill to use, might need to tweak the 300XL down to get a bit more heat sinks, but that's about it for me.

I don't own any Jagers, I just use the Cataphract 4x for my Quad-AC5 needs.

[Gaan Cathal]

TehSBGX, on 21 July 2013 - 07:13 PM, said:

Considering how easily a side torso can get ripped up, being a glass cannon so you can hut hard really isn't a problem. XL Engines and gaint side torsos make for an easy kill. If you think Jagers are so OP, try piloting one. It's definatly not ez mode.

I didn't say there was an inherent issue with the Jaeger, it's that 40 pinpoint damage is above a threshold that means that it only takes one good/lucky shot to cripple or kill a not insignificant number of lighter mechs. The leg of a 35 ton heavy has 48 hitpoints, drop down to the Commando and you blow the limb clean off. A fairly resonable 22/10 spread of CT armour on a Commando means that any hit to the body from 40 pinpoint damage will insta-kill you (since you have to use an XL, let's face it). In a game without respawns, being able to instakill someone with one shot without requiring that you hit a very small target (i.e. cockpit) is just..bad. The problem isn't one of ez-mode or not.

This isn't just a problem with the AC/20 Jaeger. 4x UAC/5 would do the same pinpoint, if a mech capable of boating that was released. Once Clans turn up we'll have UAC/10's being paired and putting out the same damage at much further ranges with better ROF and less tonnage, never mind the UAC/20.

Edited by Gaan Cathal, 21 July 2013 - 07:24 PM.

[Felicitatem Parco]

A ballistic Jager with only 1 big gun backed-up by SRMs and/or MLs should be running a standard engine... that's what I do when I run only 1 Big Gun.

[Zordicron]

My jag A has a SRM6 in each arm, a SRM4 in each arm, and an AC2 in each arm. Plus it goes fast and I have max armor in everywhere but legs.

I can shoot, pretty dang far obviously for support fire. And when something gets close enough to get snooty, well, 40 points of SRM dmg isnt anything to sneeze at.

Does run a bit too hot to fire off AC2's non stop in tandem with all the SRM though. Not really a mech to stand and duke it out, but I dont play any of my jagers that way.

[Royalewithcheese]

I wonder how many of the 2X builds would work on the JM6-A? Although, as far as I can tell, the AC/40 still gets the job done. You've got 40 pinpoint when you need it, and 40 non-pinpoint otherwise. It's significantly nerfed, but it's still somewhat decent IMO.

[Cireon]

I know a lot of builds are made upon the JM6-A and THE JM6-S(?) rather than the JM6-DD though much loved the DD variant then the others (Don't quote me on this variant lettering haha haven't been able to play since I moved and only have Satellite net)

[Anjian]

I use a JM6 S with 2 PPC and an AC20. Works fine with me. Lately I moved the AC20 to one of the Victors and placed a Gauss instead.

[Bishop Steiner]

TehSBGX, on 21 July 2013 - 05:57 PM, said:

http://goo.gl/tkYH3

Yep, swap an ac/20 for two srm6. With the weight saved you can pump armor a bit and be slightly less squishy. Damage is almost as good too.

Gee it looks like Paul's follly hasn't put a dent in brawling Jagers after all.

Seriously though, I'm not even a good player and I figured a pretty easy way to have a brawling jager while getting around the heat scale. I'm sure high end players switched to this config within an hour.

I wasn't to put a dent in brawling Jagers. It was to reduce the effectiveness of high alpha one shots. The 2 SRM6 hit hard, but ain't in any way equal to an AC20, when you consider you can still hit hard at 800 meters with an AC20, and the damage is pinpoint, not spread. But yeah, SRMs help making brawling viable across the board again.

[MeiSooHaityu]

I have been running 2 SRM6s+Art in my C1 for a while. Although it does do damage (especially after the latest patch), I would NEVER confuse it for an A/C40 build.

[CygnusX7]

The A is fun with the srm buff but the FB with 2 ERPPC and a Gauss often deserves a standing ovation.

Edited by CygnusX7, 22 July 2013 - 11:15 AM.

[NRP]

SRMs still kind of suck imo. You really need at least 3 SRM packs to brawl decently. Besides, I don't really think a Jag is a good brawler. Better to replace the AC/40 with dual Gauss and keep doing what you've always been doing.