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[Oompah]

Do you need to buy double heat sinks upgrade for each mech or are they interchangeable like the engines?

[scJazz]

Not interchangeable... CBill sink.

You must buy them for each Mech and their value is not returned if you sell the mech. Same with Endo-Steel, Ferro-Fibrous, and Artemis. Also you must pay to remove each if you decide for instance that Ferro-Fibrous is not desired after having bought it.

Again... this is a CBill sink!

[Oompah]

Thanks for the quick reply, greatly appreciated.

[scJazz]

No problem... answers to questions on this sub-forum get amazingly fast responses nearly all the time.

[Y2kHippy]

The best way to explain it is that Artemis, Double heatsinks, Endo Steel, Ferro Fiber etc are a retro-fit. And Engine is interchangeable and fits all mechs. The Retro-fits take far more work for the mechanics install is not just a quick swap.

When you buy the actual heat sinks and double heat sinks you can have stocks of them into your mech bay.

[MountainCopper]

Yes, it's a bit weird that you have to pay for each mech to get double heat sinks. Mainly, because the heat sinks are in the engine and only the additional ones are located in the mech.
The fact that double heat sinks are so cheap after you make the "upgrade" makes little sense...

So, it's more like you have to pay about 2 million more for each of your mechs to get the upgrades.

[MavRCK]

1) You need Double Heatsinks on every mech.. period
2) Yes, each mech needs to be "upgraded"
3) No, they are not interchangeable -- you have to spend cbills to "downgrade"

[scJazz]

GoldenFleece, on 20 July 2013 - 06:22 AM, said:

Yes, it's a bit weird that you have to pay for each mech to get double heat sinks. Mainly, because the heat sinks are in the engine and only the additional ones are located in the mech.
The fact that double heat sinks are so cheap after you make the "upgrade" makes little sense...

So, it's more like you have to pay about 2 million more for each of your mechs to get the upgrades.

Yeah it makes lots of people crazy. Reasonable gamers realize that it is the ONLY CBill sink in the entire game aside from consumables. Everything else you buy you can get 50% of back.

[mailin]

There are some mechs and builds that you really don't need DHS, but overall, you do. Upgrading to DHS is one of the first things that you should do for a mech, or at least think about. It makes THAT much of a difference.

[Sheraf]

So far DHS is a must on every mechs I have ever used. I don't know if Single HS would be useful in other situation thought, gotta try that sometimes

[wickwire]

Sheraf, on 20 July 2013 - 07:24 AM, said:

So far DHS is a must on every mechs I have ever used. I don't know if Single HS would be useful in other situation thought, gotta try that sometimes

couldn't think of a reason honestly, except for critical slots maybe (same for ferro fibrous), but then again the up-to-10 heatsinks in ur engine are upgraded to doubles as well, so 99% the upgrade is mandatory

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

Upgrading to Double Heat Sinks (DHS) is almost a requirement in this stage of the game due to how the heat scale and heat in general works. You NEED it, no questions.

It costs 1,500,000 making it a heavy money sink for new players, and to answer your Q...


It is an unique upgrade for each mech you own. They are not swappable like mech parts.

Edited by mwhighlander, 20 July 2013 - 10:27 AM.

[Redshift2k5]

The actual heatsinks are interchangeable, the same way a single Gauss rifle can be removed and placed into the inventory, ready to go onto another mech.

However, the upgrade to be capable of slotting in DHS is a permanent upgrade to be purchased (or removed) on an individual basis.

[mailin]

One way to get back some c-bills is when you have a bunch of mechs upgraded to dhs and you purchase one that has single yet, select your single hs mech and go to mech lab. Pull up the heat sinks and you will see the inventory list of how many single heat sinks you have pulled out of mechs. Feel free to sell a bunch and make some c-bills. Once you upgrade all of your mechs to DHS you no longer have access to your single heat sink inventory.

[Koniving]

Sheraf, on 20 July 2013 - 07:24 AM, said:

So far DHS is a must on every mechs I have ever used. I don't know if Single HS would be useful in other situation thought, gotta try that sometimes

Technically... 20 SHS cool you as fast as 10 DHS. But 30 SHS cool you faster than 15 DHS. What I love is that 36 SHS cools you much faster than 18 DHS, but you can alpha strike more with 18 DHS. This has me scratching my head a bit.

[mailin]

Koniving, on 20 July 2013 - 08:30 PM, said:

Technically... 20 SHS cool you as fast as 10 DHS. But 30 SHS cool you faster than 15 DHS. What I love is that 36 SHS cools you much faster than 18 DHS, but you can alpha strike more with 18 DHS. This has me scratching my head a bit.

I'm reminded of Monty Python's Holy Grail, "we'll keep him here unless you or anyone else comes to get him."

Edited by mailin, 21 July 2013 - 05:11 PM.

[Rascula]

Its not true that you absolutely must have Double heat sinks on all builds, I have a least one stalker that happily survives with a lot lot of normal ones. < I should say though I am bit of an oddball who enjoys making mech builds with weird limitations just to see if they can be done! >
However that said with the recent changes to heat management most builds you will see do require them as they will make virtually all builds more competitive. The cost can seem a lot at 1.5 million especially to new players, but when grinding xp on a mech and unlocking your skills you should find it no problem to fit these useful add ons to your mech as you naturally learn and play with new loadouts.

[Elizander]

Koniving, on 20 July 2013 - 08:30 PM, said:

Technically... 20 SHS cool you as fast as 10 DHS. But 30 SHS cool you faster than 15 DHS. What I love is that 36 SHS cools you much faster than 18 DHS, but you can alpha strike more with 18 DHS. This has me scratching my head a bit.

While true, this only applies to larger mechs since I do not think mediums and lights can afford to have 12 tons worth of heat sinks to get the benefit of SHS.

Here is an Atlas that can sustain spamming 2 PPCs for 19 seconds or 2 ER PPCs for 13.82 seconds thanks to having 46 single heat sinks. I'm not sure if I'd pilot one though

I tried it out with an RS in Frozen city. The 2 ERPPCs were heat neutral. I slapped a 360XL on it.

Edited by Elizander, 21 July 2013 - 10:29 AM.