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[Foxfire]

It favors those who have a higher ping.

I typically average between 40 and 80 ping a match and pilot a light mech. I cannot count the number of times that I have been damaged or taken out by unseen enemies because I have no way of knowing that I need to maneuver against an enemy because their location, relevant to me, is unknown(when they can see me).

It is to the point that I've died on Caustic Vally in the cauldrons from enemies at Kappa.


I agree that a fix needs to be in place for lag shield but 'rewinding' time gives those with better connections no way to really defend themselves against enemies who, to them, are unknown.

[Belorion]

Ping times are in milliseconds.

[Foxfire]

And when the speed difference is significant, a quarter of a second can be significant.

[MoonUnitBeta]

In my Jenner, i was about to run passed a semi still blackjack. BLAMO! Two SRM4'S straight into his face. BOOYAH! i look at his paperdoll when i see the explosions.... nothing. No flashing, no hit registering, Still that same bright-*** yellow when i raked my lasers across his torso.

Dammit.

I avg 90ms.

[Magicbullet141]

HSR is an attempt by PGI to let all players play on one server, so that players would not be divided by region. There is already a small playerbase, we need not make it smaller by making regional servers for North America, Europe, Asia, Pacific, etc.

[Foxfire]

Magicbullet141, on 23 July 2013 - 05:20 PM, said:

HSR is an attempt by PGI to let all players play on one server, so that players would not be divided by region. There is already a small playerbase, we need not make it smaller by making regional servers for North America, Europe, Asia, Pacific, etc.

Agreed but if they are going to go by HSR, they need to do it two way. I shouldn't be punished by an enemy that I've already made evasive maneuvers to.

[Theronlas]

Foxfire, on 23 July 2013 - 05:22 PM, said:

Agreed but if they are going to go by HSR, they need to do it two way. I shouldn't be punished by an enemy that I've already made evasive maneuvers to.

Thing is, if you both had the same ping you would likely not have seen them soon enough to run, it works both ways.

The server state is always correct, both your view and the other players are a different level of wrong in comparison. This causes odd artefacts for both players at different times.

AFAIK there is no way to avoid the behaviour you dislike without making it impossible for a high ping player to play at all (like a typical FPS on an overseas server, you get killed before you see the enemy and cant hit anything). That said HSR seems rather broken currently (they are trying to fix it) so we need to wait for that before we can judge how bad the problem is.

[Syllogy]

Magicbullet141, on 23 July 2013 - 05:20 PM, said:

HSR is an attempt by PGI to let all players play on one server, so that players would not be divided by region. There is already a small playerbase, we need not make it smaller by making regional servers for North America, Europe, Asia, Pacific, etc.

LOL no.

It's an attempt to aid in reducing the effect of lag.

[Ohgodtherats]

It seems to me the real problem with HSR (other than the occasional hit with no damage) is how can it possibly be resolved with adding collisions. Do you get hit on one persons screen and then 1/2 second later fall down? A jenner can get pretty far in half a second.

[Chrithu]

Ohgodtherats, on 23 July 2013 - 10:50 PM, said:

It seems to me the real problem with HSR (other than the occasional hit with no damage) is how can it possibly be resolved with adding collisions. Do you get hit on one persons screen and then 1/2 second later fall down? A jenner can get pretty far in half a second.

I am not sure that pushing over other mechs will even return at all.


On topic: Before you made the evasive maneuver you probably also shot the other guy before he was able to see you. His ability afterward to shoot you while you think you already evaded him just evened out the table.

Also I just calculated the difference between what you see and what the other guy sees if your jenner goes at 150 kph and the ping difference is 250ms. It's 10m. So you're right that is the difference between being around the corner or not beig round the corner. But as I said: this worked the other way around just a few seconds before when you hit him before he saw you coming 'round that corner. So in my book while this is not perfect (which isn't possible even at low pings) it's still fair.

[Trev Firestorm]

Jason Parker, on 24 July 2013 - 02:45 AM, said:

I am not sure that pushing over other mechs will even return at all.


On topic: Before you made the evasive maneuver you probably also shot the other guy before he was able to see you. His ability afterward to shoot you while you think you already evaded him just evened out the table.

Also I just calculated the difference between what you see and what the other guy sees if your jenner goes at 150 kph and the ping difference is 250ms. It's 10m. So you're right that is the difference between being around the corner or not beig round the corner. But as I said: this worked the other way around just a few seconds before when you hit him before he saw you coming 'round that corner. So in my book while this is not perfect (which isn't possible even at low pings) it's still fair.

It can be quite disorienting though, when you see a completely clean miss against you then notice you've taken damage is bad, worse when you get hit in the back without any of the telltales of taking damage.

[Elizander]

Most games online games have some form of lag correction to make players think everything is happening in real time. HSR still needs some refinement but I think that it is serving its purpose for now. It is much better than delayed shots and lag shield or the alternative which would be tons and tons of hacks.

[Fuerchtegott]

Ohgodtherats, on 23 July 2013 - 10:50 PM, said:

It seems to me the real problem with HSR (other than the occasional hit with no damage) is how can it possibly be resolved with adding collisions. Do you get hit on one persons screen and then 1/2 second later fall down? A jenner can get pretty far in half a second.

Around 23 meter as math tells us.
Just the height of one and a half Atlas.
Nothing to care about^^

*Sarcasmtag, I love teh internet

Edited by Fuerchtegott, 24 July 2013 - 05:06 AM.

[Zyllos]

100ms @ 150kph = (150,000m / 3600s) * 0.1s = 4.17m

250ms @ 150kph = 10.42m

50ms @ 150kph = 2.08m (this is my average ping)

[Belorion]

Zyllos, on 24 July 2013 - 06:33 AM, said:

100ms @ 150kph = (150,000m / 3600s) * 0.1s = 4.17m

250ms @ 150kph = 10.42m

50ms @ 150kph = 2.08m (this is my average ping)

You mean:

100ms @ 150kph = (150,000m / 3600s) * 0.001s = .0417m

250ms @ 150kph = .1042m

50ms @ 150kph = .0208m (this is my average ping)

[Trev Firestorm]

Belorion, on 24 July 2013 - 06:40 AM, said:

You mean:

100ms @ 150kph = (150,000m / 3600s) * 0.001s = .0417m

250ms @ 150kph = .1042m

50ms @ 150kph = .0208m (this is my average ping)

100ms not 1ms so no he didnt mean that

[Foxfire]

Jason Parker, on 24 July 2013 - 02:45 AM, said:

Also I just calculated the difference between what you see and what the other guy sees if your jenner goes at 150 kph and the ping difference is 250ms. It's 10m. So you're right that is the difference between being around the corner or not beig round the corner. But as I said: this worked the other way around just a few seconds before when you hit him before he saw you coming 'round that corner. So in my book while this is not perfect (which isn't possible even at low pings) it's still fair.

There are really two issues that I have(other than the fact that they are 'fixing' the effects of latency by guaranteeing that everyone 'feels' like they are lagging).

The first one is that it makes it harder to keep good armor towards your opponent. I cannot count how many times now I get hit in the back by direct line weapons(lasers, PPC and the like) from people shooting me in the front.

The second one is that it introduces occurrences of odd happenings.. things like 'magic damage'(where you are just rolling along and suddenly your leg armor is red for no reason at all), dieing behind cover..

They definitely need a system but if they are going to stick with HSR, they need to tighten up the parameters of how far 'back' that the game can rewind to determine hits.

Edited by Foxfire, 24 July 2013 - 02:46 PM.

[BladeSplint]

You've never played Counter Strike against Brazilians have you? This has been a problem as long as online gaming has been alive.

[Lostdragon]

Game the system by playing through a VPN server in Thailand.

[Foxfire]

At the very least, can we please get a fix for magic damage from impossible sources?

I'm tired of losing all of my back armor and half of my internals from weapons that hit me in the front.