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[Royalewithcheese]

Riptor, on 26 July 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

by taking their "comeptitivness" from their own playing field to the playing field of the guys who just want to have fun.

People trying to win? In a multiplayer shooter? Well, I never!

[3rdworld]

Riptor, on 26 July 2013 - 04:58 PM, said:

You never have problems finding 8 mans?

Strange..



This is directly from ask the devs 43...

So competitive players are not playing against other competitive players cause they use competitive builds and thats no fun... so they take their own competitive builds to play against pugs because those dont use competitive builds and they are more fun to play against.

So that makes them competitive how exactly?

But do go ahead and call me a fool.. aparantly youre playing a different game from everyone else where theres plenty of different teams in the 8 man que.

Ignore the fact that i said that you are allways fighting the same group when you drop in the 8 man que.. not that you dont find other teams at all.

But yeah.. im the one without a clue... so clueless infact that the Devs themselves had to adress the EXACT thing im talking about here.

No I don't have trouble finding 8s. Because get this, we know teams to scrim. I know it is blowing your mind right now. Most comp teams have a pretty good contact list with other groups who are willing to run 8s. So finding a match is really never a problem.

You continually post about people using "comp" builds in a pug, as if pugs should only run crap builds, or ignore that the entire point of ELO is to make comp players play comp players. or rail about sync dropping 4s which I have never heard of another comp team doing.

So do us all a favor and go away.

[Erata]

Riptor, on 26 July 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

So they use their competitive builds mostly (and it is mostly.. i refer to my ask the devs quote) against non competitive players.. because thats more fun then playing against real competition. Because you know... playing against people who dont use the same min/maxed build you use is much easier and satisfying cause they are easier to kill.

We are not talking "getting bored"... we are talking about avoiding other competitive builds as much as possible. Are 8 mans currently boring ordeals? Yes...

Does that justify the competitive players need to take the very thing that they find boring when used against themselfs and then use it against people that dont play these builds? Hell no. Thats being a hypocrit.

Those competitive players are not the source of the games balancing problems but they sure as hell exaggerate it by taking their "comeptitivness" from their own playing field to the playing field of the guys who just want to have fun.

They're bored of fighting the same handfull of groups over and over again I imagine? Also, if you really want to blame something, you can start with elo pushing players further into a competitive mindset.

[Roland]

How is this thread still going?
The fact that some people are better at the game is not the problem with the game. Jesus Christ.

[Konrad Reiner]

I don't know if I agree that comp. players are causing the problems, but I do know that the steps taken by the Devs to even out the play style have turned this game into a blandish bland game of bland. It reminds me of the week I tried playing League of Legends. Then I remembered I have a brain and went and played something that offered characters that weren't just different shades of gray. Now I'm getting that gray feeling from this game. Competitive player or not, you should still be able to build using creativity to your hearts content. Being forced to follow super strict blueprints or be penalized is ridiculous...don't call it MechWarrior if you take the warrior out of it. Call it MechShooter, or Mecha Boom! Boom! to get the kids since that appears to be where this game is heading. I'm starting to regret putting money into this title and getting my friends to join in.

[Psikez]

Roland, on 26 July 2013 - 05:44 PM, said:

How is this thread still going?
The fact that some people are better at the game is not the problem with the game. Jesus Christ.

Threadnaught has arrived

It's still going because of the Dunning-Kruger effect

[Vincent Quatermain]

Riptor, on 26 July 2013 - 04:58 PM, said:

So competitive players are not playing against other competitive players cause they use competitive builds and thats no fun... so they take their own competitive builds to play against pugs because those dont use competitive builds and they are more fun to play against.

I know it's hard for you to have empathy for those mean old competitive players, but don't lie about what they do. Sometimes high-Elo players will run their comp builds in 4P matches, but most of the time, they're playing the their sub-optimal builds -- the one's they can't run in 8P matches.

[DaZur]

Roland, on 26 July 2013 - 05:44 PM, said:

How is this thread still going?

Erectile dysfunction supplements, Flintstones chewable vitamins and Rockstar...

How else do you expect us to keep swing our e-peen for 29 pages?

Edited by DaZur, 26 July 2013 - 09:41 PM.

[Deathlike]

DaZur, on 26 July 2013 - 09:40 PM, said:

Erectile dysfunction supplements, Flintstones chewable vitamins and Rockstar...

How else do you expect us to keep swing our e-peen for 29 pages?

PGI has yet to offer us the MC version of an e-peen enhancing drug. Someone will get back to you shortly if you're interested.

Edited by Deathlike, 26 July 2013 - 10:46 PM.

[Xie Belvoule]

Roland, on 26 July 2013 - 05:44 PM, said:

How is this thread still going?
The fact that some people are better at the game is not the problem with the game. Jesus Christ.

This^

Just let this thread die, comp players are not to blame for anything. /thread

[Jestun]

Riptor, on 26 July 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

Those competitive players are not the source of the games balancing problems but they sure as hell exaggerate it by taking their "comeptitivness" from their own playing field to the playing field of the guys who just want to have fun.

What you're saying is they make the balance issues more obvious in both the metrics collected by the game and the player feedback provided on the forums, making PGI much more aware of imbalances.

And you feel this is a *bad* thing?

[giganova]

"Chronojam: How come we always fail to find a match in the 8-man queue, has PGI realized why we fail to find a match so often, and is there a plan to rectify this problem?

Answer from Paul: 8-man matches fail approximately 25-30% of the time.

We’ve known why the 8-man queue is suffering for quite a while. The number of teams lining up for 8-man games isn’t high enough for consistent match making. What’s causing that? Team imbalance in terms of weight and over use of the “sniper/longrange” meta."

[Riptor]

3rdworld, on 26 July 2013 - 05:40 PM, said:

No I don't have trouble finding 8s. Because get this, we know teams to scrim. I know it is blowing your mind right now. Most comp teams have a pretty good contact list with other groups who are willing to run 8s. So finding a match is really never a problem.

You continually post about people using "comp" builds in a pug, as if pugs should only run crap builds, or ignore that the entire point of ELO is to make comp players play comp players. or rail about sync dropping 4s which I have never heard of another comp team doing.

So do us all a favor and go away.

Sadly ELO does hack all to keep people from sinc dropping against pugs. Also here it is again.. PuGs use "crap" builds to have fun.. you know.. in the PuG que. Then comes along mr super competitive and his 7 friends and ROFL stomps the "competition" wich really is no competition... because if it where.. it would aparantly be completly boring.

I find it hilarious that the 8 man que is so deserted that you actually manage to find a certain oponent team even thought such a feature isnt even part of the game yet and should be in theory impossible given the current mechanics. But since almost no one uses the damn thing to play competitive it is possible...

Is it so hard to understand that people who for the most time go PuG stomping have no right to call themselves competitive to make themselves seem less like a griefer? If you dont do that.. congrats.. you are not the group of people i am actually talking about.

But since you feel so agitated by me calling out a very specific group of people maybe you should think about why you feel so aggitated.. i mean.. just in theory.. mayyyybe its because its exactly what you are doing?

Again as long as you are not able to tell me how PuGstoming in 8 man sinc drops has anything to do with competitive behavior i will keep calling the horse by its name.

The 8 man que is boring as **** because the competitive crowd cant stand to face their own playstyle.. so they turn towards the PuG games to force their boring min max builds on everyone else.

That in turn makes more and more people change towards FOTM builds turning even the PuG matches into boring snooze fests... minus teamspeak on one side of the fence. Wich in turn leads to a bleed of players fed up with the game.

So as i said before: They are not the source.. but they exaggerate the problem.

Proof me wrong or keep silent but quit your yapping about me having to go away just because you lack any counterarguments.

Edited by Riptor, 29 July 2013 - 12:44 PM.

[Rippthrough]

Riptor, on 29 July 2013 - 12:40 PM, said:

The 8 man que is boring as **** because the competitive crowd cant stand to face their own playstyle.. so they turn towards the PuG games to force their boring min max builds on everyone else.

Yep, you got us, we're just scared of other 8 mans, that's why we've been sending just 5 or 6 mechs in to flatten the random 8 man on the other side while the rest have a duel at base:




Seriously, I love this sh*t people make up in their heads about what the competitive groups do and don't do.
To be honest, there's been quite a few 8 mans on the past few days, we've had some great games.


P.S - ATLAS K BABY!

P.P.S - Wispsy's NOT DEAD!

Edited by Rippthrough, 29 July 2013 - 12:56 PM.

[Riptor]

Rippthrough, on 29 July 2013 - 12:54 PM, said:

Yep, you got us, we're just scared of other 8 mans, that's why we've been sending just 5 or 6 mechs in to flatten the random 8 man on the other side while the rest have a duel at base:




Seriously, I love this sh*t people make up in their heads about what the competitive groups do and don't do.
To be honest, there's been quite a few 8 mans on the past few days, we've had some great games.


P.S - ATLAS K BABY!

P.P.S - Wispsy's NOT DEAD!

*slow clap*

Wow... so you mean that the 8 man que being so deserted that even the Devs had to adress the problem was all just in my head?

Or perhaps its just in your head that the 8 man actually resembles anything like active even during peak hours?

Proof points towards me being in the right though im afraid.

Look i get it that you and a couple of other teams have more then just random encounters... the problem with that is that at the current you are the minority...

You are such a minority in fact that it is actually a problem noteworthy of Dev attention. How much clearer does it need to be pointed out then the devs saying "well the 8 man que is **** because no one likes the playstyle on there"?

Edited by Riptor, 29 July 2013 - 01:15 PM.

[Rippthrough]

Maybe, but is it because everyone doesn't like going against the other 8 man teams as you said?

No.

It's because it's a ***** keeping exactly 8 guys playing.

[Stoicblitzer]

omfg

[Roland]

I wrote up something, but then decided that it was perhaps bit too mean.

It can be summarized as such:
If you want to play "for fun", and not "to win", then don't complain when you lose. Because if you do that, then you're saying that you actually do care about winning, and are just upset that you got beat by someone who was better than you.

[3rdworld]

Riptor, on 29 July 2013 - 12:40 PM, said:

more words, aimed at sync dropping 4 mans.

You have not called out a specific group of people. I have told you time and time again that no competitive team sync drops 4s. You keep mentioning being butt-hurt by sync droppers, BUT NO COMP TEAM DOES THAT.

You aren't calling out the comp crowd, you are calling out trolls. Did you ever think they might be avoiding the 8 mans because they cannot win there? or maybe they are trolling you, which is apparently working beautifully.

And do you drop in 8s? Because I probably played 30 8 mans this weekend, and only saw the same team a couple of times. It may end in fails during non prime-time, I do not know. I only play during prime-time and I have no troubles finding pug 8s or another team to scrim.

You have said nothing about a competitive players playstyle, again, you have called out trolls, nothing to do with this topic or the discussion that was going on until you started ******** in the thread.