38 replies to this topic

[King Arthur IV]

hero is not worth it in my opinion. if your going to play this for a while then phoenix is worth the money because of the amount of content you get but let it be known, the 12 mechs will not be released for another few months which means you will still have to grind in the mean time. if you purchase phoenix pack, 30 days of premium time will be awarded to you in 24 hours.

the heros are not worth it at all. because you only get a bonus if you play that mech. you will inevitably want to play other mechs and during that time, you will not receive any bonuses. premium time on the other hand is a much better short term investment, since you will be awarded bonuses while playing any mech of your desire. the same money put into a hero can fund a fair amount of premium time.

do not get swayed by others that heros are good, they do not provide global bonus making them a huge waste of space time and money. buy a hero because you like that mech but not for the purpose of making money.

---why is phoenix that good and worth the wait??
lets just talk about the most expensive package, the $80 overlord. this pack if purchased today will give you 120 days of premium time. 12 mechs with mech bays included, the bays alone will cost 20~30 dollars. 4 mechs like the hero with bonuses and some pendant thing. if your still here by the time they come out, you will basically have 12 mechs to play with at your leisure. 12 mechs worth of time and cbills, you will probably never have to spend money on the game again.

Edited by King Arthur IV, 24 July 2013 - 04:37 PM.

[CarnifexMaximus]

If its just help with the grind you want, throw down for some premium time now. Just try out 1 day and see the difference. IMHO hero mechs are a bit risky... If you know that a hero can accommodate a loadout that is totally your favorite/best performer then go for it.

However, I often find that I earn more cbills over time piloting my top standard mechs because I am simply better in them/they fit my playstyle/I enjoy using them more. I am yet to get my hands on a hero that has become my favorite mech (due to hardpoints/layout). I will pilot a hero mech till I level it up and then only take it out when I feel like I need to grind more cbills.

[wickwire]

Hero mech + Premium time is very nice IMO.

[Hammerhai]

Hero mechs are not necessarily the be all and end all. I have better stats in my Dragon 1C than in my Flame. Premium time good short term investment.

[Rascula]

If you know you'll have fun with them and you can afford it its a good investment, if you're not sure and you think you'll miss out don't stress as they will most likely be doing more of this kind of offer when the Clan Mechs arrive.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Athena Pryde, on 24 July 2013 - 11:58 AM, said:

Is it worth it for a casual player to buy a Phoenix Package or Hero Mech to reduce the grind.

Really seems that the income really slows down after your cadet bonus and it takes awhile to save for an engine upgrade much less a new mech.

I remember World of Tanks it was really tough saving up for new tanks without a premium tank. The premium tanks are pretty expensive but worth the grind reduction.

I think it is worth it if you enjoy the game enough to think your going to be playing for a while.

The premium time will be a little bit of a waste because a truly casual player just won't play enough to really take advantage of it. However the hero mechs will help out alot even if you decide to never run a premium subscription again though just like in WoTs, you will end up grinding these mechs for C-bills alot. Still you get 4 of them in one package so at least you have a good variety to keep from getting bored.

Also your getting at total of 12 mechs. If you are a casual player, it will take you quite some time to play through all 12 of these mechs so most of the grind your experiencing right now is gone. The only thing you will need to grind for is C-bills to upgrade them rather than grinding the 65 million or so C-bills you would need to buy them as well. Lastly, you will probably sell at least some of the C-bill mechs you get which not only gives you a bunch of slots but also allows you to reinvest the C-bills back into other mechs or upgrades.

All-in-all for an $80 investment, you will probably get months and month of play time out of the investment without ever really feeling the pinch of grinding c-bills.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Athena Pryde, on 24 July 2013 - 12:21 PM, said:

I have a bad feeling that the Phoenix Pack will be obsoleted by a $80+ Clan Pack with Kit Fox, a Nova, a Timber Wolf and a Warhawk or similar package when clans are introduced.

First, I sincerely doubt a clan pack will obsolete anything unless your a hard core Clan fan.

Second, I fully expect that the Clan pack will be more expensive if for no other reason than Clan mechs in general are about 3-4 times the C-bill cost IS mechs so you might be paying $150 or more for a Clan Pack.

Third, I fully expect PGI to nerf Clan mechs into oblivion and/or make it so Inner Sphere mechs can mount clan weapons so I highly doubt Clan mechs are going to be all that better than IS mechs in the long run.

Just some things to think about.

[Koniving]

Back on this topic...

Have a look here to see the Phoenix special versions versus the regular ones.

[Joseph Mallan]

Aym, on 24 July 2013 - 02:49 PM, said:

I'm with you Red, the Locust as the "base" and no MC kills it for me. Also, the bonuses being better than Founder's, still rubs me the wrong way.

I don't see it as better Aym. I Have to buy the top pack to get the one Mech I WANT. I understand the values but Though I like the others, the Battlemaster is the One.

[Skydrive]

Koniving, on 25 July 2013 - 03:45 PM, said:

Back on this topic...

Have a look here to see the Phoenix special versions versus the regular ones.

Ok... where did you find these??? and are the words and symbols on the mechs dependent on the package you buy them from?

Viktor Drake, on 25 July 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

First, I sincerely doubt a clan pack will obsolete anything unless your a hard core Clan fan.

Second, I fully expect that the Clan pack will be more expensive if for no other reason than Clan mechs in general are about 3-4 times the C-bill cost IS mechs so you might be paying $150 or more for a Clan Pack.

Third, I fully expect PGI to nerf Clan mechs into oblivion and/or make it so Inner Sphere mechs can mount clan weapons so I highly doubt Clan mechs are going to be all that better than IS mechs in the long run.

Just some things to think about.

Well not all of the variants will be as customizable as many people would think, since the one thing to offset the Omni technology for weapons is the structure of each mech. Can't choose Endo Steel, can't remove Ferro Fibrous, and can't change the engine type from XL to STD, and vice versa. Will wonder if anyone will add hand actuators to a Dire Wolf.

[Koniving]

Skydrive, on 25 July 2013 - 04:49 PM, said:

Ok... where did you find these??? and are the words and symbols on the mechs dependent on the package you buy them from?

Nope on the symbols/writing. Basically if you didn't get up to that package, you didn't get that mech. But you can change the pattern as well as the paint, unlike the Founders which can only change the paint.

I found it on the newly announced Google+ site for MWO. http://mwomercs.com/...-art-on-google/ Found there.

I dug through it, the art was never actually announced on the MWO site. So finding it gets a like?

Edited by Koniving, 25 July 2013 - 06:23 PM.

[wickwire]

Koniving, on 25 July 2013 - 03:45 PM, said:

Back on this topic...

Have a look here to see the Phoenix special versions versus the regular ones.

oh man they look really cool! love the colors

[John MatriX82]

If the op is really a casual player, finding hard to earn cbills and newer mechs, then phoenix is a rather good deal, imho even better than concentrating on one/two hero mechs (that without offers, can reach costs that are comparable to higher tier phoenix packages) and then you get 12 mechs that you can enjoy and master with ease.

For those who play more often, PT imho is a better choice over Hero mechs, this if it's possible to play with a regular basis; every mech suddendly becomes a hero, you exp/master them way faster and you earn huge amounts of money. Heroes have become less appealing to me, I regret to have bought my Ilya, when you have an hero and you want to grind you're basically "stuck" onto that particular variant, and there might be around better, non-hero options (CTF-3D > Ilya).

[Takony]

Premium time is your best friend. If you can afford a Hero mech, couple it with premium.

As for Phoenix: the mech bays are not regular/normal mechbays, but rather special bays, so if you planned on selling Locusts/crap variants to free up space, forget it, not gonna happen.

Only the Overlord is good, the rest is meh, and 80$-s .. I wil just buy a Yen-Lo on the next 30% sale and buy 1 week - 1 month premium when I know I will have lots of free evenings.

Locust is ... shrug, Shadow Havk the Phoenix hardpoints are underwhelming, and we don't know jack about hitboxes, the rest is another humanoid heavy, very iffy, and a humanoid assault, too much unknown factors.

Not to mention I highly doubt any major content (working and meaningful CW) will be ready for "release".

So: If you have the $$ to burn, go ahead, but per se, the best combo is premium+a good hero you bouht on a 30% sale.

[John MatriX82]

Takony, on 26 July 2013 - 12:47 AM, said:

As for Phoenix: the mech bays are not regular/normal mechbays, but rather special bays, so if you planned on selling Locusts/crap variants to free up space, forget it, not gonna happen.

As far as I know (i've been raged a few days ago about this ) Devs stated that non-phoenix variants can indeed be sold, so you free those mechbays. Which is a good thing for causual players or fully f2p players that are stuck with the basic 4 mechbays.. you get 12 mechs, 8 of which can be sold to free up 8 mechbays (once you've mastered the phoenix heroes of course!).

Takony, on 26 July 2013 - 12:47 AM, said:

Only the Overlord is good, the rest is meh, and 80$-s .. I wil just buy a Yen-Lo on the next 30% sale and buy 1 week - 1 month premium when I know I will have lots of free evenings.

Yep only the Overlord is good. For people like me with a Founder Atlas, 1 hero, over 30 mechs and sitting on more than 200mil cbills, phoneix doesn't look that good. I would have liked to pick up my mechs with intermediate tiers, I'd like only SH and Battlemaster, I don't want either the thunderbolt nor the ****** Locust, so I'd like not to pay for them.

Takony, on 26 July 2013 - 12:47 AM, said:

Locust is ... shrug, Shadow Havk the Phoenix hardpoints are underwhelming, and we don't know jack about hitboxes, the rest is another humanoid heavy, very iffy, and a humanoid assault, too much unknown factors.

Yep, I'm not a light pilot but the Locust looks to be only a scout, no way I'm piloting that thing. SH doesn't look that bad, but yes, an HBK 4H looks more balanced or potentially better with STD engines, SRMs for the SH weights more and need ammo.

The Thunderbolt looks to have huge hitboxes as well..

[Skydrive]

Koniving, on 25 July 2013 - 06:23 PM, said:

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Nope on the symbols/writing. Basically if you didn't get up to that package, you didn't get that mech. But you can change the pattern as well as the paint, unlike the Founders which can only change the paint.

I found it on the newly announced Google+ site for MWO. http://mwomercs.com/...-art-on-google/ Found there.

I dug through it, the art was never actually announced on the MWO site. So finding it gets a like?

FINE... but only to get the spider off my back
Also I meant the pattern itself. Like would say Overlord on a Battlemaster but not on a Shadow Hawk or would it say Overlord on a Shadow Hawk.

Edited by Skydrive, 30 July 2013 - 07:33 PM.

[Koniving]

Yay!

[Erata]

The best recommendation I can give anyone to increasing their mileage out of the game is to

1) Play with friends. Always play with people you know.

[BoPop]

if you enjoy the game then yes it's worth it.