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[Koniving]

No. I was poking fun because PGI's been known to do random modules based on suggestions.

[BoPop]

wow Loc. just wow! you've taken it to the arcade level. build me one!

[TomC8481]

Back in the day it was all about a HOTAS setup for MW2 (Mercs was my favorite). The level of immersion was unmatched and it left a huge impact on me regarding the MW franchise.

I pulled MWO down to play for the first time yesterday. Remembering my MW2 setup, I drove to my local Fry's and picked up a Saitek X52 HOTAS setup for it. If I'm going to play it, I'm going to play it the way I remember it.

It took some tweaking in the user.cfg to make it more responsive and reduce the dead zones, but it's surprisingly good. I'm surprisingly not, but hey I've only played like four matches so far, and the last MW game I played was over a decade ago.

[travelbug]

i dont have a hotas myself but i have a thrustmaster t-16000m on order and will try the joystick/mouse combi once i get it.

imho this would be one of those games that would benefit greatly from oculus rift or a similar tech.

[Aleksander Wernersson]

My personal setup for MWO is HOTAM too. I use the mouse to control torso and fire-commands while using a joystick (Saitek Cyborg V.1) for steering legs and throttle. My whole team uses WASD-keyboard for leg-control and teases me. But I'm playing this layout since MW2 and feel comfortable with it because it gets me a "feeling" of the Mech I'm piloting. I modified my stick a bit (throttle-control) for getting better feeling.

Beside throttle-control I use the follwing often used commands via stick (Cyborg V.1 got 5 bottons): 1: full stop; 2: night vision; 3: thermal vision; 4: team names; 5: overall teams composition

I don't use jump-jets - these have to be controlled by stick as well if used

It's just an idea - I feel well and comfortable with that. I use keyboard only for special commands like "cool flush" (kb: space for fast hitting) and "shotdown owerwhrite".

Try and please report your experience - I wanna learn about more effective control-layouts!

[Aleksander Wernersson]

Oh - btw:

I got bad experiences with two of Thrustmaster stick controllers due to quality. I was player of Falcon 2, 3.0 an 4 once and my sticks ... Max one year...

[travelbug]

Postman, on 26 July 2013 - 02:38 AM, said:

Oh - btw:

I got bad experiences with two of Thrustmaster stick controllers due to quality. I was player of Falcon 2, 3.0 an 4 once and my sticks ... Max one year...

although i do see a lot of complaints about tm, the tm-16000m generally gets excellent feedback. it uses magnets instead of springs and will thus not lose tension over time and are more movement sensitive compared to other joysticks. ive also seen many reviews and forum posts attesting how sturdy these things are. so im hoping for these things to last quite a bit.
its just such a pity mwo isnt optimized to use them.

[EyeDie I]

the tflight hotas x (i have) is plug and play and not target capable, the t16000 i believe is target capable where you can set deadzones or axis sensitivity.im even thinking o0f getting 1 to use with my throttle, so i have to add the question my stick and throttle are in the same usb can i add a another stick like the t16000 and just ignore the tflight stick and use the throttle?

[ShinVector]

Koniving, on 25 July 2013 - 06:26 PM, said:

New module from PGI: Automatic aiming via the C3 targeting computer. Dun dun dun!

travelbug, on 25 July 2013 - 07:45 PM, said:

is this for real?

Only for 3PV players.... (joking... maybe ?.. Who knows... )

[Koniving]

ShinVector, on 26 July 2013 - 01:42 PM, said:

Only for 3PV players.... (joking... maybe ?.. Who knows... )

I know it's unrelated, but honestly I don't mind third person. It's supposed to be a "Choose" First or Third person perspective. Play with others using the same perspective.

My concern's more along the lines of how many more systems like the "penalty" one we'll get before we see the real fixes.

In the meantime while drawing, I'm working on ideas of how to demonstrate weapon variants to add more variety to the weapons.

Spoiler

Currently focused on lasers and adding different types -- after all without counting variants of variants or completely different lasers (i.e. clan, pulse, gatling) lasers, there are 44 medium laser variants.

So far my ideas have been in types.
Halo-style Spartan Laser, which I've titled a "Burst-Laser" for the moment is a simple concept. It has a brief charge up time after clicking fire generating smoke around vents on the laser emitter and emitting a loud noise as well as possibly some vibration as an amplifier within the weapon itself is sucking up energy from the reactor, building it up, and then releases it in one instant blast. In the case of a Burst-Laser medium laser variant, it'd build up (thinking 0.5 to 0.75 seconds charge-up) and deliver an instant laser hit dealing the full 5 damage in the blink of an eye, with such an impact that it causes a ballistic weapon shake on the target. It will then have to cool off.
This, without the charge up to make them more awesome in terms of looks, is how MW:LL does lasers. The charge up is to reduce the pinpoint issue that would otherwise arise from it.

Classic Star Trek inspired "Stream-Laser," which is based on the old phasers of Star Trek which fired a continuous beam. Using medium lasers as an example, it'll deal 1.25 damage per second but never stop firing. To keep it from being abused after a length of time the heat it builds over time will gradually increase. To keep from abuse of literally riding on overheating or macro abuse (to make it generate no heat because it never stays on long enough), a charge up time of 0.1 and a cooldown of 0.1 seconds after letting go of the trigger should do it. You'd barely even notice it, but it'd abolish the ability of a macro to abuse it.

This version has been mentioned many times over by the NGNG podcast crew.

Both versions of the medium laser would have the same dps as a regular medium laser. Their delivery methods are unique, each with their own advantages and disadvantages, but in terms of dps they are identical.

For those wondering what I'm talking about, I'm trying to find a way to visually demonstrate these as I did with the 2 AC/20 variants for this vid.

But on topic here... There is something important to note when using a joystick on MWO that has a throttle stick.

If you go to type in chat you will immediately stop in place.

Edited by Koniving, 26 July 2013 - 03:46 PM.

[Roheryn]

Koniving, on 26 July 2013 - 02:22 PM, said:

But on topic here... There is something important to note when using a joystick on MWO that has a throttle stick.

If you go to type in chat you will immediately stop in place.

The simple solution to that:

Before you chat hit whatever key you have bound to 100% throttle (make sure noob throttle decay is toggled off). Now go type, when you come back just mess with the throttle and it comes back to analog manual control.

[Koniving]

I knew of this, but somehow it slipped my mind at the time.

[Szegedin]

BlackBeltJones, on 24 July 2013 - 07:31 PM, said:

I refuse to use the mouse for this game. I have a CH setup with Fighterstick, Pro Throttle, and Pro Pedals.
I know it is a disadvantage but I could not imagine playing any Mechawarrior game without a full HOTAS rig.

What function are you using the pedals for BlackBelt?

Just booted MWO for the first time, I'm also using a full CH setup, but with a combatstick instead of fighterstick. But after some experimenting I'm ditching the pedals. I tried using them for torso twist but that was a non-starter.

So I switched twist to the throttle mini-stick's horizontal axis. Pitch and turn are on the combatstick's X and Y, throttle is on the throttle's slider axis of course...and that's that. The pedals just seemed redundant...

Edited by Szegedin, 01 August 2013 - 10:22 AM.

[Koniving]

To Szegedin's question, the pilot in the cockpit uses the foot pedals to turn the mech (though there is no animation). It would stand to reason that this is true for the HOTAS setup with the foot pedals.