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[Devil Fox]

So after feeling like my Dragon Slayer was collecting dust, and noticing that with the new strength in brawling that the other battlemechs have obtained. The original speed and low, but pinpoint alpha, didn't suit it anymore. So I decided due to those torso mounts of the Dragon Slayer to provide the best opportunity for a pop-tart!

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...eb2792277855c77

I use both the 9k and 9S Victors as low heat high alpha brawlers with 360XL's. As with most pop-tarts I wanted long range precision, but also wanted mobility and speed to quickly relocate around a battlefield. Even took the girl out and recorded a few games...

[Angel of Annihilation]

Tried poptarting, found that the enemy did more damage to me than I did to them. Now I only use it very strategicly and very rarely.

Sometimes I think the balance problems don't really exist but rather are caused by the ELO system. For whatever reason, people just don't get away with poptarting in most of the games I play. Soon as they pop up, they get focused fired by multiple mechs and die quickly.

[Sephlock]

Viktor Drake, on 26 July 2013 - 02:57 AM, said:

Tried poptarting, found that the enemy did more damage to me than I did to them. Now I only use it very strategicly and very rarely. Sometimes I think the balance problems don't really exist but rather are caused by the ELO system. For whatever reason, people just don't get away with poptarting in most of the games I play. Soon as they pop up, they get focused fired by multiple mechs and die quickly.

[Alistair Winter]

So... you've found out that this mech, too, is effective with a 2xER PPC + Gauss build and jump jets?

[Bishop Steiner]

Apostal, on 26 July 2013 - 02:10 AM, said:

So after feeling like my Dragon Slayer was collecting dust, and noticing that with the new strength in brawling that the other battlemechs have obtained. The original speed and low, but pinpoint alpha, didn't suit it anymore. So I decided due to those torso mounts of the Dragon Slayer to provide the best opportunity for a pop-tart!

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...eb2792277855c77

I use both the 9k and 9S Victors as low heat high alpha brawlers with 360XL's. As with most pop-tarts I wanted long range precision, but also wanted mobility and speed to quickly relocate around a battlefield. Even took the girl out and recorded a few games...

BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!

Mind you, not that it CAN'T be done. Just that other chassis, notably the Highlander, does it better.

To my mind, the Victor is always gonna be a supersized Centurion on a Pogostick. Means lots of movement and flanking. Now maybe my view of "poptarts" is narrow, but I generally think of the static snorefests we had pre JJ-Shake.

[Shazarad]

So you can high alpha and jump? Moving right along.

[Devil Fox]

Something had to be done to keep the Victor fresh... you can't just brawl it up all day with soft SRM's now can ya?!

Bishop Steiner, on 26 July 2013 - 04:14 AM, said:

BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!

Mind you, not that it CAN'T be done. Just that other chassis, notably the Highlander, does it better.

To my mind, the Victor is always gonna be a supersized Centurion on a Pogostick. Means lots of movement and flanking. Now maybe my view of "poptarts" is narrow, but I generally think of the static snorefests we had pre JJ-Shake.

I tend to think pop-tarts are more strategic mechs that can safely snipe with some modicum of skill, the problem I see with the Highlander is whilst it can deliver a larger alpha falls far short of mobility, and speed to reposition itself into more advantageous locations to continue the chain of attack. The Phract 3D does alleviate the problem but it's downfall becomes some minor amour loss and substantial hitboxes.

Afterall we have to keep variants fresh! Even thinking of making some sort of LRM boat out of one, one of these days...

[NRP]

My DS is a poptart. Its a pretty effective build. I don't worry about the cries of "cheese" because it helps my team win.

[Volts]

Apostal, on 26 July 2013 - 06:11 AM, said:

Afterall we have to keep variants fresh! Even thinking of making some sort of LRM boat out of one, one of these days...

Running the DS with gauss / lrma10 (x2) / 3 med lasers with quite some success (xl330)

Edited by Volts, 26 July 2013 - 08:27 AM.

[One Medic Army]

90% of the time I see someone poptarting in a Victor on my team, they're sitting waaaaaaaaaay in the back and can't aim worth a d*mn. Sometimes they're poptarting with their PPCs and gauss on chainfire...
Generally speaking they die last and with pathetic effect on the battle.

Good to see an example of how-to rather than how-not-to.

[Johnny Reb]

Personally I hate poptarting. Made my Highlanders lrm boats to not do it. Then the Victor came with the harder JJ and limted loadouts (cant get close with ac20) and I started using it. Still don't like it but will do it in the Victor.

[Fulcrom Kerensky]

3 mls, 2 srm6+art, Ultra AC5 and 395xl with speed tweak

[Devil Fox]

Volts, on 26 July 2013 - 08:27 AM, said:

Running the DS with gauss / lrma10 (x2) / 3 med lasers with quite some success (xl330)

I actually ran that, but that is how I leveled my Highlanders during pop-tart hell, Guass, 3ML, 2 ALRM15's. Was very successful, just the Victor couldn't stand the slug out.

Johnny Reb, on 26 July 2013 - 01:06 PM, said:

Personally I hate poptarting. Made my Highlanders lrm boats to not do it. Then the Victor came with the harder JJ and limted loadouts (cant get close with ac20) and I started using it. Still don't like it but will do it in the Victor.

Yea I needed something different from my brawlers, and LRM's on the Victor ain't as great as they are on the Highlander. Still need to make a purpose for a chassis, after all I haven't seen Phract 3D's on the field for awhile (if I did they were Std Engine pop-tart's).