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[Evrik]

Just because your mech has 3 missile hard points doesn’t mean you should put 3 LRM 20s in it. LRM boats really rely on how many missiles they can put in the air in a single volley and I’ll tell you why. It all boils down to the countermeasures that are used against LRMs such as ECM, Cover, and AMS. ECM is now easy to counter just use tag and BAP. Cover is harder, it take time to learn when you can hit and when you can’t but a good LRM jockey will figure it out fast. AMS is the one thing you CAN NOT work around, but you can overwhelm it quickly. If you can’t put at least 10 missiles in the air in the same volley don’t use LRMs. If you can only put 10 in the air don’t fire on targets you can see unless you are firing with an actual LRM boat. It all boils down to AMS which will shoot down 5 Missiles in a volley which completely nulls a 5 tube LRM boat. It doesn’t do any good to fire 40 missiles 5 at a time one just one AMS will make the other pilot laugh at you as all of your missiles explode 100M in front of him. I know I’ve laughed myself. What about 10 tubes? Well I said earlier to only fire on targets you can see. Why? So you can tell if he is using AMS and how many missiles are making it to target. The one exception is firing with a LRM boat because his volley will overwhelm most AMS the other team has. IMHO mechs with only 10 tubes are better off using SRMs. If after reading this you still want to use LRMs get a mech that can put at least 15 missiles in the air in a volley. Preferably 30 as it then takes 6 AMS to counter your volley. So mechs to use for this are TBT 3C, 5N, 7M, CPLT C1, C4 (A1 lacks energy hard points and suffers more from ECM because of it.) JM6-A, AWS 8R, 8T and STK-3H. Most stalker and highlander variants can benefit from LRMs but don’t seem like good LRM boats. There you have it my rant about Quick draw, Victor, and atlas LRM boats, just stop you’re hurting more than helping.

[oldradagast]

My only grumble is the guys who build an LRM boat with ZERO ability to deal damage under LRM range. Then, somebody gets close to them and they become a 80+ ton paperweight before dying. It's terrible - I keep seeing Highlanders, Atlas, etc. with nothing but LRM's Seriously - stick even 1 medium laser on the thing so you don't die a sad death trying to waddle away from the people killing you.

[Evrik]

I never claimed to be a writer nor will I ever be if you can't read this because I failed to press tab and enter a few times fine by me. This is a forum its not like I'm being published professionally.

[mack sabbath]

Evrik, on 25 July 2013 - 08:38 AM, said:

I never claimed to be a writer nor will I ever be if you can't read this because I failed to press tab and enter a few times fine by me. This is a forum its not like I'm being published professionally.

I don't require cutlery or napkins here, good sir! After all, this is a buffet, not a formal dinner!

[BoPop]

hmm. not that I read your wall of text but, I have something to say for ... "lrm wannabes"

well, there is a lot to be said for what hearing "Incoming Missile" does to a person. it usually makes them want to back up, or move or do SOME thing.

while I was mastering my jenners I finally thought, ya know what i'm going to throw an lrm in this missile slot. except I called it grenades. it was more like I was tossing grenades. pretty friggin hilarious.

I would run up at some angle on the map, spot something, and lob my silly lrm 5 at it. of course most the time if they had AMS it would eat it up outright but still, they usually began to shift and try to find cover or DO something, cuz in that first moment of hearing "Incoming Missile" they don't know for sure if it's 5 or 60. And it might very well be 60, after my five. Cuz if I was able to get a lock on ya, then so was the LRM boat on my team, when I had one.

Then I would just haul arse, reposition, and generally try to fire LRM's at every single mech I could at least once, to milk kill assists. It really helped and you'd be surprised how many mechs aren't packing AMS even though LRM's are pretty brutal right now. it was a really fun way to both spot, do teensy damage, get kill assists and generally be a pain in the arse. great way to get attention and get mechs chasing you, then you lead them back to your fatboys.

I also started ranking my jenners up pretty quick cuz I had a fun long range alternative.

having said that, sure, some people are learning how to play LRM's and aren't so great at them. big deal.

[Booran]

Yeah I also hate people who aren't instant experts at a new game.

[Revorn]

If you want ppl to play your Style, go 8 vs 8. Imho.

[Shuyen]

oldradagast, on 25 July 2013 - 08:19 AM, said:

My only grumble is the guys who build an LRM boat with ZERO ability to deal damage under LRM range. Then, somebody gets close to them and they become a 80+ ton paperweight before dying. It's terrible - I keep seeing Highlanders, Atlas, etc. with nothing but LRM's Seriously - stick even 1 medium laser on the thing so you don't die a sad death trying to waddle away from the people killing you.

I don't know. I kinda like it when I come across a LRM laden catapult with 2 small lasers or, as you say, no lasers at all. Especially in one of my Jenners with a TAG on it. It's like Christmas!

[Queen ChrysaIis]

its such a rarity, to see ppl whining about lrm, not ppc

[SmithMPBT]

Shuyen, on 29 July 2013 - 09:22 AM, said:

I don't know. I kinda like it when I come across a LRM laden catapult with 2 small lasers or, as you say, no lasers at all. Especially in one of my Jenners with a TAG on it. It's like Christmas!

Especially when they've backed away from the front line so far they have no team mate support. Mmm.

I think just about the only map I worry about LRMs now is Tourmaline or Alpine, which can be brutal if a large portion of their team is boating.

Edited by SmithMPBT, 29 July 2013 - 09:35 AM.

[Shuyen]

BoPop, on 25 July 2013 - 10:23 PM, said:

well, there is a lot to be said for what hearing "Incoming Missile" does to a person. it usually makes them want to back up, or move or do SOME thing.

while I was mastering my jenners I finally thought, ya know what i'm going to throw an lrm in this missile slot. except I called it grenades. it was more like I was tossing grenades. pretty friggin hilarious.

Just this morning I tossed out 1 ML and the JJ's off my Jenner D, and added 2 LRM5's, 1 ton of ammo and some armor. This was mostly to follow up on a train of thought I'd had playing my first Jenner last week. I'd go flank and stay out of site of the enemy mechs until I was within 500m, pop over a hill on their back or flank and...get ignored. So, why not TAG that pesky ECM equipped Atlas and toss in some LRM's along with my team's?

I only played a few games with this setup today but...it works like a charm. I was able to keep TAG'd an ECM equipped SDR that was in a dogfight with one of my side's CMD's. The SDR was dead in minutes and I moved on to flank/spot/TAG/throw LRM's at a variety of enemy mechs, including a very frustrated ECM Atlas that had decided to go out on his own without support. I just hung out behind him, hitting him with my 3 ML's and 2 LRM'5 while other LRM's rained down on him.

I won't be changing the setup of my Sarah's Jenner, because it's in homage and it doesn't feel right to mess with the setup. But if you have a standard Jenner D? Try it. You may like it.

Edited by Shuyen, 29 July 2013 - 09:44 AM.

[BookWyrm]

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Just because your mech has 3 missile hard points doesn’t mean you should put 3 LRM 20s in it.

Just because you have the ability to post a large unedited wall of text does not mean that you should.

[NRP]

The OP should really wake up and realize the world doesn't revolve around him/her. People can run whatever the hell they want.