Edited by Coralld, 30 July 2013 - 07:10 PM.
Happy With Current Weapon Balance
#21
Posted 30 July 2013 - 06:44 PM
#22
Posted 31 July 2013 - 12:46 PM
SteelWarrior, on 30 July 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:
Thumbs up PGI
I don't see it. The problems with high pinpoint alpha sniping are still rampant, brawling is still only viable on certain maps (River City, Frozen City and now Mordor Apline Zork.) and LRM's ... well ok. LRM's are pretty close to balanced now.
I don't see those issues as nitpicks, I see them as underlying issues that, instead of being directly addressed, are being swathed in layers of bandaid fixes to the point where they are distorting the core game. Maybe they will eventually get it right like LRMs, but who wants to go through the LRM hell again with every other weapon system?
#23
Posted 31 July 2013 - 02:56 PM
Coralld, on 30 July 2013 - 06:44 PM, said:
So what you're saying is that weapon combinations that you don't approve of need to be "Fixed"?
#24
Posted 31 July 2013 - 03:58 PM
I dont post on this forum much, but I do read a fair bit. But I have to say, I've never seen a more whiney vocal community. The annoying thing is, the moaning, are either contradictory across the community, or are completely unrealistic. Ignore the vocal minority and crack on steadily making the game better.
#25
Posted 31 July 2013 - 04:13 PM
#26
Posted 31 July 2013 - 04:20 PM
Unregistered hits are abundant, and missiles are way off. I have long been one of the players who feel annoyed by the rampant complaints and negativity so do not get me wrong... I love this game and plan to play it for a long time.
BUT.
This patch messed something up, and it was obvious to me right away. It has nothing to do with heat, or weapon loadouts... it is the simple fact that hits are not registering properly. Most noticable to me in my NON-BOATING C1, with 2 LRM 15's.
I have been playing since closed Beta. Trust me. This is not the best it has been.
If people are looking to be able to walk into a fire-fight and live a long time... I can see why you like this patch (that and Terra Therma is very well done)
Again.. I love the game, I am an overall, very happy player. But this is not the time to praise PGI for nailing it. I look forward to joining you in applause when the day comes. This just wasn't it.
#28
Posted 31 July 2013 - 05:12 PM
In regards to the two people complaining about PPC+Guass and the other guy saying theirs issues with the hit detection....
PPC+ Guass is legit. In its current state its only effective to rock 2 PPCs and 1 Guass. Thats perfectly acceptable. Its a high damage alpha with solid range, but it requires a solid connection, low ping, and the timing to hit targets beyond 300m away accurately. When you get smoked from 500m out in a Jenner F doing 152kph.....Thats not a build being overpowered, thats a player whos got the timing down.
In regards to LRMs and hit detection. I would say you didnt play closed beta nearly enough then because the hit detection was horrid. was a major reason why you didnt see a single PPC being used by anyone during that era of MWO. Hit detection as is, is not perfect. But its leaps and bounds better then it was, and compared to other similar format games such as world of tanks, they had the same problem for a long time, so its not beyond "acceptable industry standards" at all.
The point is, 3 patches this month, none of them would be considered a huge deal on their own, but collectively we have seen a huge improvment across the board.
Looking forward to the future
#29
Posted 31 July 2013 - 05:26 PM
Conreg, on 31 July 2013 - 04:20 PM, said:
Unregistered hits are abundant, and missiles are way off. I have long been one of the players who feel annoyed by the rampant complaints and negativity so do not get me wrong... I love this game and plan to play it for a long time.
BUT.
This patch messed something up, and it was obvious to me right away. It has nothing to do with heat, or weapon loadouts... it is the simple fact that hits are not registering properly. Most noticable to me in my NON-BOATING C1, with 2 LRM 15's.
I have been playing since closed Beta. Trust me. This is not the best it has been.
If people are looking to be able to walk into a fire-fight and live a long time... I can see why you like this patch (that and Terra Therma is very well done)
Again.. I love the game, I am an overall, very happy player. But this is not the time to praise PGI for nailing it. I look forward to joining you in applause when the day comes. This just wasn't it.
This guy, he gets it right. It used to be ok if half your shots didn't count on a big alpha. Now its just not worth it. I imagine if they fix the hit regs, boats will be back. Either way I can't shake the feeling that this system will eventually be scrapped to make way for an actual solution such as convergence.
Edited by ManDaisy, 31 July 2013 - 05:28 PM.
#30
Posted 31 July 2013 - 07:27 PM
#31
Posted 02 August 2013 - 11:22 PM
You say 35 damage like it's nothing, So I suppose the cutoff point must be 36, that's the amount it takes to one shot a fully armored cockpit.
The 4 PPC builds and dual 20 builds were doing 40, so that 5 point stretch must be where the problem is.
Except that I still regularly see alpha builds that do more than 36 points of damage. More than 40. More than 50.
All I've seen is a switch in preference from older mechs with multiple similar hardpoints to newer mechs with multiple divergent hardpoints.
#32
Posted 02 August 2013 - 11:40 PM
#33
Posted 02 August 2013 - 11:48 PM
#34
Posted 03 August 2013 - 03:56 AM
Xandre Blackheart, on 02 August 2013 - 11:22 PM, said:
You say 35 damage like it's nothing, So I suppose the cutoff point must be 36, that's the amount it takes to one shot a fully armored cockpit.
If you're going to be sarcastic at least be right, cockpits are an exception to the usual *max HP= max armour/2* rule.
They have 18 max armour and 15 internal HP so that makes it 33 damage to kill via cockpit, but at least your propagation of incorrect "facts" sets a reasonable standard for the rest of your post.
#35
Posted 03 August 2013 - 05:00 AM
#36
Posted 03 August 2013 - 05:13 AM
I love how people run varied builds now.
Great job pgi! Now gimme 12v12! Terra therma is way too big for 8v8.
Edited by Snowcrow, 03 August 2013 - 05:16 AM.
#37
Posted 03 August 2013 - 10:44 AM
tulip, on 03 August 2013 - 03:56 AM, said:
If you're going to be sarcastic at least be right, cockpits are an exception to the usual *max HP= max armour/2* rule.
They have 18 max armour and 15 internal HP so that makes it 33 damage to kill via cockpit, but at least your propagation of incorrect "facts" sets a reasonable standard for the rest of your post.
I wasn't being sarcastic, and I assumed head internal HP was 1-1 for armor. If I'd calculated it according to max armor/2 it would have been 27. Not 36.
Which still doesn't change anything I said, as the cutoff point is in the neighborhood of a single headshot, and likely to continue to decrease.
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