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[Kurogawa]

all my mechs with ac2 are now unusable [hope its a bug] cant fire for more than 2 secs and its overheated. all my favorite things about this game are being removed or modified to the point where its ******** to use them. no more boats no more chainfire now cant even use 4 of the same weapon and be effective. . . just change the name to mechcapper online. and remove mech customization. stop teasing with mechs like jager DD and specialized mech's like that. if they are going to be so penilized for the role they were created for.

-----> lol. so after reading my post, yes.. i am very frustrated. this is my favorite game by far and the only free to play game where i actually spend money. and at least for me atm the game is going downhill for me.


i had to modify all my mech's "i have alot of them". and now, all of them are pretty much the same mech's. the customization has become an illusion. i have lost the most important part of the mech customization for me. {being able to decide if i want to sacrifice all for being able to obliberate whatever is infront of me, even when i know im going to cook for 10 secs afterwards and get killed by a jenner with 2 small pulse lasers because of my tincan armor} it was very funn! or to have endurance to just hold the line. now its gone.

many builds are meant to be overpowered since one sacrifices alot [ammo. armor. heat efficiency and speed] to be able to make very funn mech's. now they all have to be "balanced" and very "polite" to avoid offending someone.. that's just wrong. and its getting boring.

am i crazy? am i the only one that thinks that if this trend continues its will be so dull and boring as it can be.

thank you for reading.

[Nauht]

You can still do all that. You can field a 6 PPC stalker, "obliterate" the guy then "cook" for 10 secs.
You can still loadout your mech any way you want to.
You can field 4+ of the same weapons.
You can still chainfire.
You can group weapons.
There's only one restriction.

Oh sorry, what's that? You want the easy mode one button smashing alpha game with no heat penalties other than shutdown for 3 secs? Nah-uh, no soup for you.

Guess you'll just have to learn how to properly manage heat and all those weapons you can field now.

[ManDaisy]

It is arguably harder to get away with 6 ppcs stalkers in pug games now. PUG games. Not bad I guess. tho it is ugly.

Edited by ManDaisy, 31 July 2013 - 03:50 PM.

[Asmosis]

6 ppcs are pretty impossible to use if you dont own a gaming mouse.

[Robot Legs]

I agree 100%

At lower skill levels, I think everything was fine when we could boat.

At higher skill levels, some OP builds where making a stale meta, so PGI wanted to nurf.

Now.... it seems like we are forced to make stock builds.

I cannot say how higher skilled players feel, but as a peon, I think it sucks.

My fave build a while back, was a Stalker 4N, with 4 LLs, and a LRM for harrasment. It did not feel cheesy. It did not feel OP. I sacraficed a lot of space for heatsinks, so I could actually use my LL alpha. It seemed like a wonderful fun build, with plenty of pros, and cons.

Basically as I see it, they might aswell make a rule. Max 2 short range weapons, 2 med range, and 1 long range, and call it a day..... oh but dont fire both med range at once, or you explode.

Edited by Robot Legs, 31 July 2013 - 08:04 PM.

[riverslq]

they're trying to reign in their crap code with arbitrary rules and numbers
instead of fixing the problem intelligently

expect this to continue.

[Atheus]

Agreed. Pretty soon you'll only be able to turn left.

[Nauht]

Again NOTHING is stopping you from fielding whatever the hell you want.

Want that 4LL and LRM, then stagger the LL and fire then in 2 groups. 0.5 scs apart. Doubt you probably press the mouse button that quick anyway.

All the did was put in a penalty for alpha'ing them. No alpha, no penalty.

If you cant grasp this simple concept then I can't help you and you probably won't learn how to play other than one button alpha mashing. In which case continue to suck and whine on the forums.

[HighGround]

I agree, I think the devs went too far on the heat penalties, instead of nerfing alpha strikes with heat multipliers, they should have made overheating penalties keep your mech shut down for longer, say 5-7 seconds, that would make most people NOT want to overheat but still be able to alpha strike when needed

[Atheus]

Nauht, on 31 July 2013 - 09:34 PM, said:

Again NOTHING is stopping you from fielding whatever the hell you want.

Want that 4LL and LRM, then stagger the LL and fire then in 2 groups. 0.5 scs apart. Doubt you probably press the mouse button that quick anyway.

All the did was put in a penalty for alpha'ing them. No alpha, no penalty.

If you cant grasp this simple concept then I can't help you and you probably won't learn how to play other than one button alpha mashing. In which case continue to suck and whine on the forums.

You're not saying anything that people don't already know, here. Just accept that people can still dislike the change while knowing this.

[Kurogawa]

Nauht you misunderstood my post. i did not say its not posible to do. i said its ********. since its not effective or funn anymore compared with what it used to be. maybe it was my bad engilsh.

this is my opinion about the changes that had been happening on this game and this trend is looking very grim for me.

i can see you got offended somehow with the post, sorry bout that. please refrain from posting "you all are idiots" reply's

if i compare how much funn i had 4 months ago in this game to now. the diference is enough for me to stop playing as much as i did before.

cheers. o7



----omg lol why this this censors ********--- lol re/tar/ded. is this a bad word?? lol

Edited by Kurogawa, 01 August 2013 - 09:08 AM.

[WayBadMojo]

To'o man'y apostrophe's?

[Jeffries]

Well, basically I can say I rarely want to play the game anymore after this patch. It seems like every single patch they make the game more bland, generic, and less fun. I had really thought about dropping $80 on their new package deal, but after that last patch I'm very glad I didn't. Essentially, the farther they go from the base FASA rules, the more skewed, unbalanced and bland the game becomes. I currently dislike their "double heat sink" values which aren't double, their ECM implementation, their LRM implementation, and now their insane Band-Aid approach to addressing alpha strike. Hmm, how did FASA stop that problem... oh, yeah, if you go over your heat capacity by a larger and larger amount, your mech explodes. Maybe look at their damn guidebooks and use them as a baseline, and if a tweak needs to happen after that, then so be it. But right now, I'm pretty much done spending any money on the game, and only play when I have friends online to play with. BBB

[Chronojam]

What do you mean? You can still jumpsnipe with 2xPPC 1xGauss, I don't see any restrictions there.

[LastPaladin]

Nauht, on 31 July 2013 - 09:34 PM, said:

Want that 4LL and LRM, then stagger the LL and fire then in 2 groups. 0.5 scs apart. Doubt you probably press the mouse button that quick anyway.

All the did was put in a penalty for alpha'ing them. No alpha, no penalty.

I wish people (including the devs) would stop misusing the term "alpha". If the mech has 4 LL and 1 LRM, then firing 4 LL is NOT an alpha strike. Call it whatever you like, but that term already has a defined meaning, and it is different from the way people are using it on MWO. Maybe call firing all weapons of one type (or a similar type now) a beta strike?

[Nauht]

LastPaladin, on 01 August 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:

I wish people (including the devs) would stop misusing the term "alpha". If the mech has 4 LL and 1 LRM, then firing 4 LL is NOT an alpha strike. Call it whatever you like, but that term already has a defined meaning, and it is different from the way people are using it on MWO. Maybe call firing all weapons of one type (or a similar type now) a beta strike?

It's part of BT lingo now - and since it's a made up world they can use whatever words they want in whatever context they want to.
I had the same feelings about "atlai". No such word exists and even joined the side crusading against it. Then a dev came on and used it and saif that's what they're using. Seeing as it's their world they can use whatever they want. Creative license and all.
I've now had to accept "atlai" like I had to accept muggles.

[Nauht]

Kurogawa, on 01 August 2013 - 09:07 AM, said:

Nauht you misunderstood my post. i did not say its not posible to do. i said its ********. since its not effective or funn anymore compared with what it used to be. maybe it was my bad engilsh.

this is my opinion about the changes that had been happening on this game and this trend is looking very grim for me.

i can see you got offended somehow with the post, sorry bout that. please refrain from posting "you all are idiots" reply's

if i compare how much funn i had 4 months ago in this game to now. the diference is enough for me to stop playing as much as i did before.

cheers. o7



----omg lol why this this censors ********--- lol re/tar/ded. is this a bad word?? lol

Fair enough.

But unfortunately for you (fortunately for the majority) PGI agreed alpha warrior online was boring, one dimensional where everyone was funnelled into the same build to compete. AC40's, as much PPCs you can cram in for the biggest alpha, poptarting made brawling non-existent.

Sorry it's not fun for you anymore (not really) but it's alot more fun for me now.

[Jeffries]

However, there are many better approaches to stopping the "alpha strike" problem than the random, obscured weapon combination penalty that was implemented. Just looking at it objectively, doesn't it seem like a very haphazard, lazy and subjective application of penalties on combinations PGI doesn't like? Anytime you see an approach like this, it really indicates major systemic design problems. It's has about all of the problems a Geocentric model of the solar system has... which probably means the whole thing is very flawed, and they need to start over and look at their systems design. However, if people keep playing and paying, then more power to them... it just won't be me.

[Nauht]

Jeffries, on 01 August 2013 - 04:22 PM, said:

However, there are many better approaches to stopping the "alpha strike" problem than the random, obscured weapon combination penalty that was implemented. Just looking at it objectively, doesn't it seem like a very haphazard, lazy and subjective application of penalties on combinations PGI doesn't like? Anytime you see an approach like this, it really indicates major systemic design problems. It's has about all of the problems a Geocentric model of the solar system has... which probably means the whole thing is very flawed, and they need to start over and look at their systems design. However, if people keep playing and paying, then more power to them... it just won't be me.

Yep I agree with you. They definitely could have implemented an alpha restriction better, but this is what we got.

[ATao]

Robot Legs, on 31 July 2013 - 07:44 PM, said:

Now.... it seems like we are forced to make stock builds.

I cannot say how higher skilled players feel, but as a peon, I think it sucks.

No significant changes actually. People are simply grabbing gauss+2ppc and the like builds. Alpha strike damage is reduced though so I guess Paul managed to nail the subject in question here. At least generally.

The thing is 6ppc builds never were top dogs. Never met one in 8v8 tourneys. 4ppc STK was mainstream and now it's alpha is spread over 2 volleys. Same thing happened to AC40. Main feature of those builds were high point alpha + decent DPS (and ac40 was very heat efficient). Without alpha they are not quite the same.

The main problem of new system imo is it's complexity. Good experienced players won't have problems with it. So I can't fit AC40 on my K2? Np, I'll use AC20+4*ML. They read forums, keep themselves updated on new things, know all the numbers etcetc. They were using "cheesy" builds before but actually it's them who will adapt to new balance in a day or two. That is because... they are good and experienced.

Overall balance may be a bit better now (long Vs close is ok at least, with SRM buff and PPC incoming nerf) but newbies will drown in "wtf is this penalty, why I'm overheating with 3-4LL more then mechlab says" and so on. Guess this proves that overall heat system is quite borken if it requires some additional penalties to function properly. It would be the best if Paul could do it from scratch rebalancing every weapon's cooldown\damage\heat and heatsinks. Now that he has a year worth of masstest data it's quite doable.

The question is when . They have tons of problems preparing for official release... Guess we won't see balanced AND simple system for quite some time... if we'll see it at all that is.

Edited by Alexander Malthus, 01 August 2013 - 05:07 PM.