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[InnerSphereNews]

Greetings MechWarriors! Starting today all Kintaro variants can be purchased for ! Joining their golden brother are the KTO-18, KTO-19, and KTO-20 – for three times the Medium Missiles! We hope you all enjoy these new variants, and we look forward to seeing you on the battlefield! (New skins cannot be added to the KTO-18, 19, or 20 yet, but will be able to August 20th. The basic skin can, however, be coloured.)

Cheers, The MechWarrior Online Team

[Butane9000]

I believe we all saw this coming from miles away...

[Goldrinn]

when can they be bought with c-bills ?

[Native]

next tuesday

[Wintersdark]

I really wanted these, until I saw what the hitboxes on the Golden Boy were like.

Yeah, no. Ah well.

Looking forward to seeing some more variety on the battlefield at least.

[Goldrinn]

alrighty thank you hopefully they go trial soon so i can give it a try

[Dexion]

This just in... KTO still has a CT the size of an entire CTF... Now available for MC!

Do. Not. Want (which is sad, as I love mediums). Seriously, adjust the hit boxes already.

[Darwins Dog]

Butane9000, on 13 August 2013 - 08:55 AM, said:

I believe we all saw this coming from miles away...

This will be the way all mechs are released from now on. It makes no difference to me since the cbill versions release on the same schedule as always. For those who can't wait, they now have an option.

[Kanajashi]

Dexion, on 13 August 2013 - 09:00 AM, said:

This just in... KTO still has a CT the size of an entire CTF... Now available for MC!

Do. Not. Want (which is sad, as I love mediums). Seriously, adjust the hit boxes already.

Why are people complaining about the size of the CT? Having a large CT just means you can run an XL without any additional risk! Enjoy having an additional 10 or so tons to spend on weapons

Edited by Kanajashi, 13 August 2013 - 09:05 AM.

[Rizzelbizzeg]

Bummer, no light mech

I hope we don't only get Hero -> MC -> CBill every month now. I liked getting a hero that was different than the regular mech released, feels like more variety.

[N a p e s]

Judging from the hitboxes on the GB I'd think it wise to avoid this mech until it gets adjusted...

[Bilbo]

Rizzelbizzeg, on 13 August 2013 - 09:04 AM, said:

Bummer, no light mech

I hope we don't only get Hero -> MC -> CBill every month now. I liked getting a hero that was different than the regular mech released, feels like more variety.

I imagine they'll continue the cycle, nothing says the Hero has to be the new mech though. The cycle would appear to work best with the same chasis for the decreased time to master, but early access would probably sell a few as well.

[Royalewithcheese]

Will SRM30 at over 100 KPH justify taking a robot with some of the worst hitboxes in the game? Hopefully

[PropagandaWar]

Yeah, Yeah Kints have huge CT's. Dragons, and Pults do too. Phracts have Huge everything, QD's legs are the size redwood, Hunchbacks RT' are monsterous, So are Awesomes RT, LT, Commandoes Go boom real well. Highlanders have oh wait those guys are a pita to take down. Jaegers boom but they get boomed easily enough back. Off to Stalkers they couldn't out turn a drunk catapiller. Ravens just well they exist i think, Jenners jump lift is wonky and they boom too. Off to the cent. Well cant say much about them they zombie really well, Cicadas are well cicadas only the Garth pilots them. Atli die, Black Jacks implode. Looks like almost every mech has a fault. Oh wait don't forget the Spider.... oh yeah God MOde Power Armor 5000.

All and all mechs have something you can use against them you just have to find it.

[Martin Oberhofer]

well the cbill variants we cant afford anymore....

[Rizzelbizzeg]

Bilbo, on 13 August 2013 - 09:08 AM, said:

I imagine they'll continue the cycle, nothing says the Hero has to be the new mech though. The cycle would appear to work best with the same chasis for the decreased time to master, but early access would probably sell a few as well.

Oh yea, the cycle for -> makes total sense, don't get me wrong, it's just the Hero I want to mix up more. I really doubt that they'll deviate for the Orion at release (I'm assuming that's what's next) tho.

[Wintersdark]

Kanajashi, on 13 August 2013 - 09:04 AM, said:

Why are people complaining about the size of the CT? Having a large CT just means you can run an XL without any additional risk! Enjoy having an additional 10 or so tons to spend on weapons

Because the Kitaro's center torso is bigger than an Atlas's center torso. it's extremely hard to hit the side torsos, as they're only the little donuts at the shoulders. Given the shape of the mech, the CT absorbs the vast, vast majority of random fire. Sure, you can use an XL without risk, but that applies with many mechs. Unlike most mechs, though, you'll just get cored from random fire really, really quickly.

[Wintersdark]

PropagandaWar, on 13 August 2013 - 09:13 AM, said:

Yeah, Yeah Kints have huge CT's. Dragons, and Pults do too. Phracts have Huge everything, QD's legs are the size redwood, Hunchbacks RT' are monsterous, So are Awesomes RT, LT, Commandoes Go boom real well. Highlanders have oh wait those guys are a pita to take down. Jaegers boom but they get boomed easily enough back. Off to Stalkers they couldn't out turn a drunk catapiller. Ravens just well they exist i think, Jenners jump lift is wonky and they boom too. Off to the cent. Well cant say much about them they zombie really well, Cicadas are well cicadas only the Garth pilots them. Atli die, Black Jacks implode. Looks like almost every mech has a fault. Oh wait don't forget the Spider.... oh yeah God MOde Power Armor 5000.

All and all mechs have something you can use against them you just have to find it.

The problem is you don't have to find the Kitaro's. You don't even have to try. the vast majority of fire is simply aimed roughly center mass, and the Kitaro is far worse than every other mech (even the catapult, by a large margin) in that a huge percentage of such fire is going to reliably hit the CT.

Unlike mechs with big side torsos, or legs, or arms, you're not damaged/crippled by this random fire, you're killed outright, and there's no real defense against it - twisting doesn't help nearly as much as it does with other mechs, because that CT isn't obscured significantly by arms/side torsos.

The only thing worse than a very large center torso is a really big cockpit.

[Noonan]

And the Kintaros cannot even be painted properly. So now we are starting to get things that aren't even finished?

No patch notes either. I guess PGI has run out of steam and we will only see half-baked things coming out from now on. Not a good trend.

[Koniving]

For those complaining about the center torso, and for anyone who is curious about the Kintaro..

Here is a constructive demonstration of the hit boxes as well as what playing this mech can mean.

• It gives you the angles your front torso can be attacked from (assuming you lost both arms).
  
• It also has information as to missile tube limits (gathered from Smurfy).
  
• Top speeds listed (Kintaros max speeds are faster than the Golden Boy by 22 kph!)
  
• Tested: You can run with the side torsos at 8 front and 2 rear, and probably never, ever lose them (bonus! Virtually no risk for XL engine users!)
  
• It has everything you're getting into, and some advice on how to get the most of your Kintaro without telling you how to play.

Be warned if you do not get one -- Kintaros are now the third fastest possible medium in MWO, and is able to carry real weapons (PPCs, LRMs, SRMs, Streaks, Lasers) while being insanely fast. It is shorter than the fastest Trebuchet 3C (which cannot carry more than a few medium lasers at its top speed) without the Treb's easy side torso destruction weakness.

The Kintaro 20 is listed as having 120 horizontal degrees of torso twist + 25 horizontal degrees of arm movement; it's apparently the most flexible of the Kintaros.

(Honestly the Golden Boy makes a better Lore-friendly Trebuchet than the Trebuchet does, pack on the LRMs and stream-fire!)

The fastest possible medium is the Cicada. But it cannot carry much in the way of weapons and maximum armor at that speed.

Because that makes the Kintaro the fastest possible medium that can carry bigger or more weapons, this does provide it as a serious potential threat. Especially since it has more armor than any other medium that currently exists.

As the Kintaro is meant for a striker role (think missile-totting skinny and hard to hit Dragon and Quickdraw), it is shorter than the Treb and about the height of a Centurion, though much skinnier in overall torso size.

Careful packing large weapons on the arms, a couple of PPCs or LRM-20s will make your arms MUCH larger.

Good luck, and I hope this bit of information helps. Kintaros are actually really good, you just shouldn't treat them like a Cataphract with missiles.

Edit: Missing word.
Edit 2: Added Screens here.

Tip: LRM-5s do not have a max alpha penalty. SRM-2s do not appear to have a max alpha penalty. Streaks do not appear to have a max alpha penalty up to 3, haven't tested with 4 or 5 as I backed them up with LRM-10s.

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Lordred, on 08 August 2013 - 11:21 PM, said:

Goldenboy edition (mostly)

Spoiler

Edited by Koniving, 13 August 2013 - 12:22 PM.