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[Tyrnea Smurf]

Killing shots from friendly fire also don't count for the enemy team. In a hot fire zone some of those decisive damage points might be credited to friendly units so the enemy mechs aren't getting the credit for the kill. As to mysterious sudden explosion, I've had it happen twice to me in as many days. I was no where near a out of bounds marker, nor was I damaged enough to account for the sudden death. on my death report no cause of death was listed, and on the second I had not taken any damage whatsoever. Might be a quirk of the critical hits, and heat threshold changes they made recently. Another thing I had last night was a match with so much lag I was credited with 1 point of damage dealt, and 2 kill assists. That must have been one magic bullet in my MG...

[Ransack]

How was your heat?

I have blown up a couple of times since the ghost heat implementation.

[Erata]

627, on 14 August 2013 - 05:32 AM, said:

If i'm legged and in the reds, infront of my enemy, i smash that override button like hell and give out alpha after alpha.

I'm dead anyway so why not do as much damage as possible? Side effect is death by overheating and no one gets the kill, that's right.



Btw if you trigger an ammo explosion that kills the enemy, you get the kill.

This is technically against the rules of the game and a temp-bannable offense. (Intentionally overheating yourself to deny kills)

It is, however, completely unenforceable, unless you explicitly say it's what you did in-game in the chat and someone mails that screenshot off to support.

I'm not knocking you for doing it, just to be clear, just warning you about it. Also, I do the same thing since not all situations are winnable, but you want to put out as much damage as possible before death.

Edited by Erata, 15 August 2013 - 09:21 AM.

[Abivard]

Wired, on 14 August 2013 - 08:18 AM, said:

People who are legged will start jumpjetting up to smash their other leg out.

no, they are jumping to try and make you miss while they kill their enemy,

the leg damage is just another bug PGI is ignoring.

[Abivard]

Erata, on 15 August 2013 - 09:20 AM, said:

This is technically against the rules of the game and a temp-bannable offense. (Intentionally overheating yourself to deny kills)

It is, however, completely unenforceable, unless you explicitly say it's what you did in-game in the chat and someone mails that screenshot off to support.

I'm not knocking you for doing it, just to be clear, just warning you about it. Also, I do the same thing since not all situations are winnable, but you want to put out as much damage as possible before death.

A kurtian saying to kamikaze is a bannable offense is freaking funny as hell!

ERATA FTW!

[Erata]

Abivard, on 15 August 2013 - 11:34 AM, said:

A kurtian saying to kamikaze is a bannable offense is freaking funny as hell!

ERATA FTW!

It's so hilarious that it's true.
http://mwomercs.com/...ploitsgriefing/
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" Mech Suicide Abuse
Some players have been repeatedly finding ways to destroy their ‘Mechs as quickly as possible.
This behaviour denies an otherwise healthy team of an active member, and makes the battle imbalanced. As such, this is prohibited and includes instances of players intentionally and repeatedly running out of bounds, or into the enemy team without tactical intent, or any other way in which a player has found to be self-destructing their `Mech."

[Clit Beastwood]

I've had a lot of players running out of bounds when they're about to be killed, they just run out there and keep going. Seems like it's to prevent someone else from getting the kill. There should be a self-kill penalty (out of bounds, for example) that's on-par with the team kill penalty.

[Sephlock]

Poorly made, Soviet mechs?

[Abivard]

Erata, on 15 August 2013 - 11:35 AM, said:

It's so hilarious that it's true.
http://mwomercs.com/...ploitsgriefing/
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" Mech Suicide Abuse
Some players have been repeatedly finding ways to destroy their ‘Mechs as quickly as possible.
This behaviour denies an otherwise healthy team of an active member, and makes the battle imbalanced. As such, this is prohibited and includes instances of players intentionally and repeatedly running out of bounds, or into the enemy team without tactical intent, or any other way in which a player has found to be self-destructing their `Mech."

Not worrying about overheating when your leg is gone in order to kill your foe is not against the CoC, However, telling people something is against the coc in order to gain an advantage is or should be a bannable offense. That is what you are doing.

[Tyrnea Smurf]

IIRC the problem on the self destructing mech tactic was during a cycle in closed beta someone figured out that it was faster to get rich by entering a match self destruct, get the basic match earning on a loss and start up a new match with another mech, and rinse and repeat endlessly as at that one point in time you earned a minimium cbill allotment and you avoided repair bills on self destruction. Thankfully that loophole was closed, and not to long after the accounts were wiped so the ill gotten gains were for naught.

[Erata]

Abivard, on 15 August 2013 - 01:23 PM, said:

Not worrying about overheating when your leg is gone in order to kill your foe is not against the CoC, However, telling people something is against the coc in order to gain an advantage is or should be a bannable offense. That is what you are doing.

Oh Ok

[Lt David Barns]

Just had such a 'suicide by overheat' situation.

I Was piloting my hunchie, my center torso was shot to hell already and I found myself facing a ddc. He would have obliterated me with his next salvo once his heat went down a bit (could see in thermal that he was also running quite hot) so I said to myself whatever, hit override and managed to get two alphas into his ct which managed to actually fell him, but as a consequence my own mech went boom just a second after.

Now my question: While I know that no one gets the kill, do the players who managed to deal damage to me still get an assist? With the economy as horrible as it is right now I know I'm thankful for every single bonus I get, therefore I can't imagine many people being happy about having their contribution to a fight taken away just because the enemy overheated and managed to blow himself sky high in the process...

Edited by Lt David Barns, 16 August 2013 - 07:27 AM.

[Abivard]

I think they get assists...

[Clydewinder]

In actual combat, it's very difficult to separate "suicide by overheat" from normal "im engaged in close combat, about to die, and im going to do as much damage as i can before i go"

[Zeusus]

So just to throw this out there sometimes the messages are buggy (the X killed Y ones). I've had cases where I got a kill, didn't see any notification, but my buddy told me I got it as he saw the message, and I could confirm it when it showed me my kill count. That said if it iss assault and the ticker didn't go up after the kill then what I mentioned is definitely not what you saw at which point my guess would be overheat!

Dimento Graven, on 14 August 2013 - 08:16 AM, said:

snip ....

Like-wise, I've received a few kills I was NO WHERE NEAR and hadn't fire at for at least 2 or 3 seconds, and then I got the kill.

snip ....

Ammo explosion? I have this happen a lot. Shoot out a leg, and it takes a few seconds for the explosion to travel through the mech if they don't have an XL. You can usually tell as you'll get 2 or 3 "Component Destruction" messages from the destroyed leg. Kind of like how if you shoot out a torso you get 1 for the torso and 1 for the arm.

Wired, on 14 August 2013 - 08:18 AM, said:

People who are legged will start jump jetting up to smash their other leg out.

If I am in a light mech with JJs and a missing leg I WILL be jump jetting. It is not suicide, it's to make me harder to kill (and maybe, just maybe let me take YOU out, or at least soften you up enough for the next guy). People using arm lock actually can't shoot you once you are in the air as they can't shoot up. Now I'm not saying no one has ever suicided this way, just that I personally have not seen it...

[RamsoPanzer]

Just to say, ive found myself in many of those "Im about to die, lets make all possible damage" situations. But i never commit suicide, i dont use override to the limit just because i know im gonna die. And you know, sometimes, not many but enough, without knowing really how, i survived those situations and i was able to be useful for the rest of the match, even if i was a shot away from dying.

So i dont really support this override suicides like an optimal extreme tactic, but i respect it and the people that actually use it, no matter if i dont get the kill. I find the "Mech Suicide Abuse" rule just wrong, and an abuse itself. People must have the right to choose how to die in the battlefield.

Edited by RamsoPanzer, 18 August 2013 - 07:03 AM.