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[mack sabbath]

In an attempt to build a non-XL Firebrand that does respectable damage, good armor and heat efficiency, this is the best I could come up with.

If anyone else can tweak me out a build with a standard engine that can strike / brawl a bit, please share that with me / us here?

And thanks in advance, as I will be purchasing this, my 1st Jager, tomorrow!

Here is my take on it:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...270e6e5387468f0

I added a flamer because this devilish mech MUST have one if I'm the pilot, dammit!

Edited by Die Primate Die, 31 July 2013 - 06:17 PM.

[Hex Pallett]

The fact that you completely ignore Firebrand's high-up energy mounts, which are ideal for mounting long-range energy weapons, breaks my heart. But if you insist on a STD Jager build then this should work: STD260, Endo-Steel, Ferro-Fibrous, 10xDHS, 2xAC10(5ton), 2xML

[mack sabbath]

Helmstif, on 31 July 2013 - 06:22 PM, said:

The fact that you completely ignore Firebrand's high-up energy mounts, which are ideal for mounting long-range energy weapons, breaks my heart. But if you insist on a STD Jager build then this should work: STD260, Endo-Steel, Ferro-Fibrous, 10xDHS, 2xAC10(5ton), 2xML

Thanks!

I thought I put my AC 20 and medium lasers on those high points though?

How's this one look?

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...79969a763440988

Edited by Die Primate Die, 31 July 2013 - 07:01 PM.

[Hex Pallett]

My theory of 'Mech-building involves putting the best weapons in the best hardpoints, in this case in Firebrand's arms. A pair of MLas and a single MG is not what I - or anyone - would call "best weapons".

As for the single AC20...well, if you have any plan going down the Jager path, you'll probably buy another Jager and equip it with twin-AC20, just for the sake of it. So why bother for one?

Seriously, just make it a Rifleman.

[mack sabbath]

I'm open minded to any and all non-XL loadouts.

I appreciate all your input thus far, I wanted this one for the 30% Hero boosts and I'm sick to death of my Misery after several hundred matches on it. I have 20k XP (trial mech, lol) on the Jager 6S, so leveling 3 chassis will go fast enough.

Thanks again.

Edited by Die Primate Die, 31 July 2013 - 07:06 PM.

[Hex Pallett]

Die Primate Die, on 31 July 2013 - 06:39 PM, said:

How's this one look?

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...79969a763440988

How about take out the flamers and the DHS, and replace the AC5s with UAC5s and one more ton of ammo. I'm very sure that's a better deal

[Lukoi Banacek]

Similar take, but the one I prefer (and this was something I used for 100 matches to very good effect PRIOR to the twin-AC20 heat nerf from yesterday).

5xML, AC20, 285 STD, 416/422 standard armor.

Runs well on heat and is deceptively effective at close range imo. I only carry 4t of armor and 13 DHS, but it works very well (I also do not tend to shoot AC20 at the far ranges it is capable of btw, simply because I want each round to do near 20 every hit).

[mack sabbath]

I'm now considering this, and I know flamers are silly, but I'm determined to have fun with them on an evil mech like this!

Not running Ultras, because my jam rate is worse than anyone else I know, lol.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...db78a180a383571

Opinions?

[Hex Pallett]

Speaking of UAC5...you know Pacific Rim? Go search its main theme on Youtube and play it in background. Single-shot your UAC5s following the beat of the music. You will never jam.

[TheKildar]

Personally I don't believe in flamers large numbers of Mlas on any Jager, and I am in love with my FB with 2 PPC, Gauss, and one mlas in the torso as backup, with the stock engine, I dish out huge damage, enough to go toe to toe with all but the best Assault Brawlers even with the XL. The Firebrand excels at that kind of long-mid range engagements and PPC's don't run out of ammo, if i could use a standard engine and run the same build without the Mlas and little or no speed loss, I would, and ill probably experiment with that soon.

[Diewire]

FIREBRAND

Very hot but I like the speed and play him as harasser.
MG is for when I need to cool down.

[Kiiyor]

You can brawl in Yagerbombs with an XL engine. It's just more... exciting than running a standard engine. IMHO, the gloriously high, torso locked arms on Yagers make for a far better support weapons platform than a brawler, striker or skirmisher, but you can still wreck face as a face humper.

If you are steadfast in your refusal to turn the the volatile, vulnerable yet gloriously overgunned XL dark side, then maybe something like THIS could float your boat. Mixing ultra and vanilla dakka gives you the best of both worlds, and the 4 MLAS are the equivalent of an AC20 round if you sport a steady hand. I've also found that even as a brawler, you don't need as much leg armour (it's your STs that attract all the hate) and even with drastically reduced arm protection, I find that I almost never have them blown off, as their frontal hitboxes are utterly miniscule.

It's not the fastest mech in the shed, but speed is the tradeoff you make in the name of firepower.

If you want to try a support role, this is (almost) hands down (one of) my favorite machines: slow as hell, fragile and hot for the un-disciplined, but hits like a random passing apocalypse.

[TheKildar]

Kiiyor, on 01 August 2013 - 01:35 AM, said:

You can brawl in Yagerbombs with an XL engine. It's just more... exciting than running a standard engine. IMHO, the gloriously high, torso locked arms on Yagers make for a far better support weapons platform than a brawler, striker or skirmisher, but you can still wreck face as a face humper.

If you are steadfast in your refusal to turn the the volatile, vulnerable yet gloriously overgunned XL dark side, then maybe something like THIS could float your boat. Mixing ultra and vanilla dakka gives you the best of both worlds, and the 4 MLAS are the equivalent of an AC20 round if you sport a steady hand. I've also found that even as a brawler, you don't need as much leg armour (it's your STs that attract all the hate) and even with drastically reduced arm protection, I find that I almost never have them blown off, as their frontal hitboxes are utterly miniscule.

It's not the fastest mech in the shed, but speed is the tradeoff you make in the name of firepower.

If you want to try a support role, this is (almost) hands down (one of) my favorite machines: slow as hell, fragile and hot for the un-disciplined, but hits like a random passing apocalypse.

Again, im just not feeling a Firebrand build that doesnt use XL with 2 LL or better energy weapons on the arms, and an A/C 10 or better, I have 2 PPC's and a gauss on mine with 1 extra Mlas and I move ten kph faster than that second build even w/o speed tweak using the stock XL engine, and with a ten damage higher alpha. Slower fire rate, yes, but sustainable without overheating over a very very long time. and no Ultra-jam.

[Kiiyor]

Diewire, on 01 August 2013 - 01:12 AM, said:

FIREBRAND

Very hot but I like the speed and play him as harasser.
MG is for when I need to cool down.

HMMMMMM.

You put a slightly smaller engine in there....

TO THE MECHLAB

[mack sabbath]

I FOUND MY BUILD!

If you group fire, this mech actually isn't hot running.

And a base speed of 66 kinda seems right on the Devil's Ride!

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...507f3adf2a316b4

Edited by Die Primate Die, 01 August 2013 - 11:52 AM.

[TheKildar]

Die Primate Die, on 01 August 2013 - 11:23 AM, said:

I FOUND MY BUILD!

If you group fire, this mech actually isn't hot running.

And a base speed of 66 kinda seems right on the Devil's Ride!

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...507f3adf2a316b4

Not bad, not quite what i would do but pretty good for a standard engine build. I would probably lose some of the mlas and machine guns and maybe even the AMS in favor of larger ballistics but thats just me, if it works for you then great .

[mack sabbath]

TheKildar, on 01 August 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:

Not bad, not quite what i would do but pretty good for a standard engine build. I would probably lose some of the mlas and machine guns and maybe even the AMS in favor of larger ballistics but thats just me, if it works for you then great .

I'm off to check if I can do what you suggested and will report back with a smurfy if I'm successful. Thanks in advance, you've been a large help to me as the hour of my Devil's Ride hitting my mech bay arrives!


***EDIT:

This is as close as you're gonna get sadly.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...a13f328d7bec329

Edited by Die Primate Die, 01 August 2013 - 06:13 PM.

[POOTYTANGASAUR]

This: http://mwo.smurfy-ne...dc15f3201a66215
OR
This: http://mwo.smurfy-ne...c94af8433fd37dc
Both very strong snipers with standard engines, backup weapons, good armor, good heat, and even ams. You can't ask for much more.

[mack sabbath]

Thanks for this one, look for it in a match near you after 1am Eastern!

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...dc15f3201a66215

Edited by Die Primate Die, 01 August 2013 - 06:37 PM.

[TheKildar]

Die Primate Die, on 01 August 2013 - 06:37 PM, said:

Thanks for this one, look for it in a match near you after 1am Eastern!

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...dc15f3201a66215

Yeah thats probably the best STD engine build youll get without sacrificing much in either speed or firepower, I still love mine with the big punch i can carry with an XL engine but i may try something like this. also, obviously, i would reccomend having Elite efficiencies on any FB STD engine build, particularly speed tweak.