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[BookWyrm]

I remember a while back when ECM was about to be introduced the Jenner was being considered as a possible recipient of an ECM variant. However, at the time, there was a great forum outcry that it would have unbalanced things, and rightly so. Now that ECM has a few effective counters should this idea be revisited?

[Tennex]

Edited by Tennex, 14 August 2013 - 04:30 PM.

[Kaspirikay]

Every mech needs ecm

[Nauht]

Steve Carrell, what a legend.

Someone give him ECM.

[Asakara]

I support giving a jenner variant ECM. It is the only light mech chassis which does not have it.

[Papaspud]

Give it to the K class... make it worth having.

[Deathlike]

After playing the Jenner-K, I'm not in favor of the ECM idea... despite it being just ridiculously beneficial if I wanted it to happen.

In sum, it would literally displace the Raven-3L (if it hadn't already)... and I don't mean in hardpoints (4e+1m vs 3e+2m), but in terms of mobility for its module power.

Edited by Deathlike, 14 August 2013 - 05:28 PM.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

No more mechs should receive ECM until PGI balances it to the point where every mech can use ECM without it being an issue.

[FupDup]

The Jenner has been the king of the lights prior to ECM's introduction and after BAP became a hard-counter (Raven 3L was the king in-between those milestones), so I'd say that the Jenner doesn't need any additional advantages over its cohorts (Spiders being better at exploiting bad hit detection is not a legit advantage, will be fixed eventually).

Edited by FupDup, 14 August 2013 - 05:29 PM.

[Unbound Inferno]

I got a better idea.

Fix ECM like it should be, let any mech equip it - then there wouldn't be any issues.

[Lyoto Machida]

[Deathlike]

FupDup, on 14 August 2013 - 05:28 PM, said:

The Jenner has been the king of the lights prior to ECM's introduction and after BAP became a hard-counter, [n]so I'd say that the Jenner doesn't need any additional advantages over its cohorts[/n] (Spiders being better at exploiting bad hit detection is not a legit advantage, will be fixed eventually).

ECM has to actually change before I'd even consider the entire notion of adding it to a Jenner...

Edited by Deathlike, 14 August 2013 - 05:30 PM.

[Taemien]

If I'm allowed to put ECM on a Jenner.. I will be unstoppable. My group would be so Overpowered it wouldn't even be funny. These forums would explode about how light mechs are OP. No mech that moves under 96kph would be safe. And the rest would have some serious issues unless they outnumber us.

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

The problem with ECM on the Jenner was putting it on the JR7-D. It had no business going on the JR7-D.

The JR7-K is what should have gotten ECM, and what should get ECM if it gets added at some point in the near future.

[Tennex]

Levi Porphyrogenitus, on 14 August 2013 - 05:34 PM, said:

The problem with ECM on the Jenner was putting it on the JR7-D. It had no business going on the JR7-D.

The JR7-K is what should have gotten ECM, and what should get ECM if it gets added at some point in the near future.

typical PGI

variants have never been balanced. they dont' even care about that

Edited by Tennex, 14 August 2013 - 05:47 PM.

[Deathlike]

Tennex, on 14 August 2013 - 05:43 PM, said:

typical PGI

variants have never been balanced. they dont' even care about that

Spider-5V said:

Remember me? I need a buff.

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

Deathlike, on 14 August 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

ECM has to actually change before I'd even consider the entire notion of adding it to a Jenner...

You mean, like, doing what its SUPPOSED to do? But PGI's implementation that they pulled out of their *** worked wonders!

[Deathlike]

mwhighlander, on 14 August 2013 - 05:51 PM, said:

You mean, like, doing what its SUPPOSED to do? But PGI's implementation that they pulled out of their *** worked wonders!

Well, it doesn't have to be true to TT... but it should resemble something like what was done for MW4 and MW3... but it does too much and more.

ECM mechs are not invulnerable by any stretch of the imagination, but there's just too much pluses that don't have the situational play that BAP has... like detecting shutdown mechs is not that useful unless you're next to the guy.

In any case... meh.

[UnlimitedMirror]

I use to feel that ecm would be a great upgrade to the Jenner-K since its very rarely utilized jenner chassis. Its minus 1 missle hardpoint from the D variant putting it at the bottom of the Jenner list. But having 4 energy, 1 missle, 150kph top speed, JJ and ecm would make it the new king of lights.

I love the Jenner and thats why it shouldn't get ECM, it would be too good.

[Deathlike]

One of the things that has to change would be to "improve" the Raven's hitboxes... something between the "really hard to hit" leg hitboxes prior to the nerf, and the current version of the Raven leg hitboxes (so easy to hit, you would think you were shooting a Stalker's leg).

Legging Jenners happen... due to JJs and whatnot.. but disabling a grounded Raven is far easier to do in the current game than it should be, and is disproportionately more difficult to do than core and/or leg a Jenner. At least the Centurion's legs are fine by comparison....