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[Alistair Winter]

A lot of people are saying that the Shadowhawk will be the shizznit due to its 55 tons and jump jets, but I'm not quite seeing it. What cookie cutter build do you guys imagine will be tearing up the medium ranks?

Gauss + single ERPPC poptart?
AC20 Streakhawk?
The Dakkasplatta?

What do you think will be the standard build? It's an interesting and unusual mech, I'll give PGI that.

[General Taskeen]

I don't know, I'd rather just use it in a default-ish configuration, but current functionality of weapons and/or equipment make that prospect more difficult until they work out better solutions.

The main worry though is that hitbox for the Autocannon. The HBK-4G suffers horribly from that unbalanced hitbox drawing without even an applied damage resistance to that area. The Shadowhawk will suffer the same if they don't take that into account.

[Grey Ghost]

Your giving me some terrible ideas.

[One Medic Army]

Well, I know my default loadout will be to shove in as much SRM as possible, and a gigantic engine. Then fill with laser and MGs to finish.

[Alistair Winter]

One Medic Army, on 17 August 2013 - 10:57 AM, said:

Well, I know my default loadout will be to shove in as much SRM as possible, and a gigantic engine. Then fill with laser and MGs to finish.

So SRM6+SRM6+SRM4? STD or XL engine? I guess it's hard to say without seeing the hitbox.

[John MatriX82]

You won't be able to squish many SRMs in that thing, you only have 2 plus a shared 5 tube-launchers. Best you can get without throwing off multiple salvoes it's something like this SHD-2H, or as suggested a light jumpsniper with GR and ERPPC. In the end, the uselessness of that variant is one of the three causes that holds me off for the Phoenix (the other two are the Locust and the Thunderbolt that looks to be as wide as an Awesome is so no, thanks).

[Spheroid]

The 2H seems terrible on paper. That said when it enters the game I feel the most common build will be built around multiple light or medium ballistics perhaps backed up by a large or ER large laser.

Edited by Spheroid, 17 August 2013 - 11:14 AM.

[Shadey99]

While it will have four fire groups, I'm tempted to try a Mixed SHD-2H. ER PPC and UAC5 as primaries, SRMs to add some short range kick, and MGs for finishing damaged mechs.

[PropagandaWar]

Im thinking a LBX-10 or AC-10, mix with the SRMs, Med las and Machine guns.

[One Medic Army]

Alistair Winter, on 17 August 2013 - 11:09 AM, said:

So SRM6+SRM6+SRM4? STD or XL engine? I guess it's hard to say without seeing the hitbox.

XL, because I don't care how bad the hitboxes are if I'm going over 110kph in the thing

[Alistair Winter]

John MatriX82, on 17 August 2013 - 11:11 AM, said:

You won't be able to squish many SRMs in that thing, you only have 2 plus a shared 5 tube-launchers. Best you can get without throwing off multiple salvoes it's something like this SHD-2H, or as suggested a light jumpsniper with GR and ERPPC. In the end, the uselessness of that variant is one of the three causes that holds me off for the Phoenix (the other two are the Locust and the Thunderbolt that looks to be as wide as an Awesome is so no, thanks).

Remarkably close to my Streakhawk, except with SRMs instead of SSRMs. I respect that, but I think most people will prefer the Streaks, because it'll make aiming with different weapon types a lot easier.

Spheroid, on 17 August 2013 - 11:12 AM, said:

The 2H seems terrible on paper. That said when it enters the game I feel the most common build will be built around multiple light or medium ballistics perhaps backed up by a large or ER large laser.

Of course! I feel like a moron for not realizing that. The double-dakka UAC5 looks like a winner to me. You might even go for a triple AC5 glass cannon, enough firepower to tear up heavy mechs from a distance, but liable to get shredded by speedy light mechs. Anyway, the double UAC5 seems like a nice cookie cutter candidate.

Shadey99, on 17 August 2013 - 11:13 AM, said:

While it will have four fire groups, I'm tempted to try a Mixed SHD-2H. ER PPC and UAC5 as primaries, SRMs to add some short range kick, and MGs for finishing damaged mechs.

That's the type of build that separates the boys from the men. If you can use all those different weapons effectively, you may call yourself a mechwarrior.

PropagandaWar, on 17 August 2013 - 11:16 AM, said:

Im thinking a LBX-10 or AC-10, mix with the SRMs, Med las and Machine guns.

LBX10, SRMs, MGs and a single Medlas means that you'll have an absolutely appalling ability to strip armor on single components, so it's going to be like a big version of the Raven 4X, mostly useful for wiping out the mechs others have prepared for you. But in a 1 vs 1 duel, you might as well press the 'B' key to 'Bend over'.

[Nutlink]

Probably my standard build

When I want to hunt light mechs

When I'm bored

[Bishop Steiner]

SHD-2H

it's probably how I'll roll, unless the side torsos dictate no XL, in which case the SHD will be well and truly useless.

SHD-2H with standard ?

good thing I like the current MG and use them to good effect.

oops......
SHD-2Hforgot my bloody JJs

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 17 August 2013 - 12:21 PM.

[Fishbrane]

SHD-2H "MetaHawk"

There's no other option if you want to be a high level competitive Shadowhawk! Anything less would be to doom yourself, your entire team, and your club footed future children.

Silly infidels, more ERPPC/GAUSS!




My IQ just dropped three points thanks to this post.

[Bishop Steiner]

Atomicoxen, on 17 August 2013 - 01:34 PM, said:

SHD-2H "MetaHawk"

There's no other option if you want to be a high level competitive Shadowhawk! Anything less would be to doom yourself, your entire team, and your club footed future children.

Silly infidels, more ERPPC/GAUSS!




My IQ just dropped three points thanks to this post.

such a narrow and laughable concept *thanks for dropping my IQ with yours, dangit!*. And yet take the optimal 12 man mech, and uG in it, and more often than not, get owned.

Good thing I never care what the "Pros" think. After all, one doesn't hire a REAL Pro for their opinions.......

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 17 August 2013 - 01:47 PM.

[SgtMagor]

large laser, lbx10 (or gauss), 2xsrm4, seems about right.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Alistair Winter, on 17 August 2013 - 10:23 AM, said:

A lot of people are saying that the Shadowhawk will be the shizznit due to its 55 tons and jump jets, but I'm not quite seeing it. What cookie cutter build do you guys imagine will be tearing up the medium ranks?

Gauss + single ERPPC poptart?
AC20 Streakhawk?
The Dakkasplatta?

What do you think will be the standard build? It's an interesting and unusual mech, I'll give PGI that.

The Shadowhawk is kind of a crappy mech to be honest because of its mixed loadout. The only reason most people are interested in it is that it is Iconic going back to the first Mechwarrior game ever made.

I am probably going to go with something like this:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...eb2df45e0739ab0

or this:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...66cd3f15937ad67


This one has the most firepower:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...224ab765e042be1

And because I genuinely like Artemis

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...d4fcd217e3f922d

[Utilyan]

....http://mwo.smurfy-ne...417edd6ebf593d8


You can test this build off hunchback 4G right now.

(I tried to make my hunchie a "stock" SH then I upped the medium to LL.....)


It works good on hunchback difference being that I had a small laser instead of a LRM5.

When I had the hunchie with a ac/5, 2 mgs, LL, small laser loadout.......It takes a long time to overheat and still delivers decent punch.

The SH will be slower then the hunchie but you can prob do stuff with JJs.


If this mech gets a cursed CT......then switching to XLs for another setup.

[Carrioncrows]

First build out the door is probably going to be this:

http://goo.gl/mSEJ6H

255 XL
11 DHS
Endo
3 Jumpjets

x2 SRM6's
x1 SRM4 (x3 tons of SRM ammo)
x1 AC2 (x2 tons of ammo)
x2 machineguns (x1 ton of ammo)
x1 ER Large laser

[PropagandaWar]

Alistair Winter, on 17 August 2013 - 11:41 AM, said:

Remarkably close to my Streakhawk, except with SRMs instead of SSRMs. I respect that, but I think most people will prefer the Streaks, because it'll make aiming with different weapon types a lot easier.


Of course! I feel like a moron for not realizing that. The double-dakka UAC5 looks like a winner to me. You might even go for a triple AC5 glass cannon, enough firepower to tear up heavy mechs from a distance, but liable to get shredded by speedy light mechs. Anyway, the double UAC5 seems like a nice cookie cutter candidate.


That's the type of build that separates the boys from the men. If you can use all those different weapons effectively, you may call yourself a mechwarrior.


LBX10, SRMs, MGs and a single Medlas means that you'll have an absolutely appalling ability to strip armor on single components, so it's going to be like a big version of the Raven 4X, mostly useful for wiping out the mechs others have prepared for you. But in a 1 vs 1 duel, you might as well press the 'B' key to 'Bend over'.

Oh I'm sorry. Here I'll equip a guass and a ppc, just to be like everyone else. LMAO. Yeah I seem to do better than just fine with other than meta builds. A LBX-10 and SRM is a good light killing and up close combo and would only be using it in conjunction with mechs that can through down. I wouldn't be firing a LBX over 100 meters anyway. With a med las for some melting power. Mg's weigh crap so there good for internals once you strip them out (Probably save tonnage and not put them in anyway). Mostly though Ill be packing a AC-10 or Gauss and harassing targets with a srm6 or lrm 10 and a laser. Oh but then you'll say but you need this or that. No not really. I just need to out pilot and outgun them. also in regards to the streak comment up above me and several others have been using srm's even with the nerf so aiming with them is second nature to us.

Edited by PropagandaWar, 17 August 2013 - 11:16 PM.