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[Zultor]

To start I don't like the fact that the 3pv feature has been added to the game. I find it annoying to use, which isn't a problem, and hurts teamwork big time (no mini map), which is a problem. The stupid beacon thing simply needs to go.

but...

There are a lot of threads/posts about how people think they were lied to, wronged or whatever about the 3pv implementation and being forced to play with players using it. You all are shooting yourselves in the foot here. All you are going to do is force the devs and people in charge into not making anymore statements about what is coming for the game. They are simply going to start being quiet which isn't good for the game. Is that what you want?

Let your voice be heard. Post about how you don't like it, fine, but lay off the hyperbole, please.

Edited by Zultor, 21 August 2013 - 10:53 AM.

[DaZur]

I'm more annoyed by the jackhats who've been TKing any team members they see using 3PV.

I was watching my son play last night and witnessed two different players on separate occasions TK a teammate when they spotted them using 3PV via their drone. We submitted images and names to support....

Have your opinion, voice your displeasure... But when you start griefing players because they utilize a game mechanic you have elected to disagree with, you've crossed the line.

[Karl Marlow]

The thing is I remember them saying there would be separate queues. Then I saw how ridiculous 3PV was and apparently the devs saw it the same way. They explained why they went with a single queue. I don't see it as a lie. I see it as changing their mind. For it to be a lie they would have had to intend to keep it all in the same queue from the get go. Since the hardcore mode buttons are there and greyed out I am inclined to believe they simply changed their mind and didn't lie.

Assuming every word that comes out of a devs mouth is an ironclad contract that cannot be broken is exactly why they tend not to tell us much.

Edited by ThomasMarik, 21 August 2013 - 09:32 AM.

[Tom Sawyer]

DaZur, on 21 August 2013 - 09:28 AM, said:

I'm more annoyed by the jackhats who've been TKing any team members they see using 3PV.

I was watching my son play last night and witnessed two different players on separate occasions TK a teammate when they spotted them using 3PV via their drone. We submitted images and names to support....

Have your opinion, voice your displeasure... But when you start griefing players because they utilize a game mechanic you have elected to disagree with, you've crossed the line.

I wil confess that when I got home from work and was able to play I freaked out seeing the drone over a team mate's head. I opened fire on the drone and created a case of blue on blue. I quickly realized and apologized for my error.

Play the game however it makes you happy. I think the penalties of arm-lock and hud lose will make 3PV quickly loose its appeal to skileld players.

[Deathlike]

ThomasMarik, on 21 August 2013 - 09:31 AM, said:

The thing is I remember them saying there would be separate queues. Then I saw how ridiculous 3PV was and apparently the devs saw it the same way. They explained why they went with a single queue. I don't see it as a lie. I see it as changing their mind. For it to be a lie they would have had to intend to keep it all in the same queue from the get go. Since the hardcore mode buttons are there and greyed out I am inclined to believe they simply changed their mind and didn't lie.

Assuming every word that comes out of a devs mouth is an ironclad contract that cannot be broken is exactly why they tend not to tell us much.

It's a lie, but even if you don't feel that way...

It is still the responsibility of the devs to LET YOU KNOW aka KEEP YOU INFORMED of decision changes they make. The problem is how and when they went about it... AFTER patching the game and adding it w/o even having the discussion IN ADVANCE.

Actions speak louder than words. If you don't demonstrate that you will do exactly what you say you would do as promised, then there's no trust to be fostered and to expect people agree to every ninja change made in something of this magnitude is NOT THE WAY TO GO. It's like trying to take credit for something that you HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH, but went ahead and do it anyways.

I guess it doesn't matter... PGI doesn't listen to feedback... they listen to where the money is flowing.

Edited by Deathlike, 21 August 2013 - 09:41 AM.

[Jacmac]

Zultor, on 21 August 2013 - 09:02 AM, said:

All you are going to do is force the devs and people in charge into not making anymore statements about what is coming for the game. They are simply going to start being quite which isn't good for the game. Is that what you want?

They can be quite or quiet if they want, I could care less. I didn't say anything about 3PV until the patch came out, which they were quite or quiet about as well. It doesn't seem to matter if we complain or not, but I will complain because I spent a decent amount of money on the game and they are moving in a direction that will make me regret spending anything on it. It's simply isn't fair for them to force 3PV on everyone. I would never have bothered starting to play the game if it had mixed 3PV/1PV like MW4 did from the beginning of beta. Now they are near release and appear to be going back on their promise to have a 1PV only queue, which is all I care about game-wise right now.

[Zultor]

Jacmac, on 21 August 2013 - 09:47 AM, said:

They can be quite or quiet if they want, I could care less. I didn't say anything about 3PV until the patch came out, which they were quite or quiet about as well. It doesn't seem to matter if we complain or not, but I will complain because I spent a decent amount of money on the game and they are moving in a direction that will make me regret spending anything on it. It's simply isn't fair for them to force 3PV on everyone. I would never have bothered starting to play the game if it had mixed 3PV/1PV like MW4 did from the beginning of beta. Now they are near release and appear to be going back on their promise to have a 1PV only queue, which is all I care about game-wise right now.

Thanks for the misspelling tip...fixed

Complaining and/or giving feedback is good but I guess my point is how people are going about it. My point is that by attacking the developer's integrity you are causing a bigger problem than you are trying to solve. Basically you are going to force the developers to never give us information until it is implemented and ready for release. This is very short sighted in my opinion.

There is no God given right to separate queues. The developers initially indicated they were going to make them then changed their minds, for whatever reason who cares. That is their prerogative.

As for your "I would have never bothered starting to play the game if..." argument, that can be said for a whole lot of things. I personally don't like the consumables feature which wasn't in game when I started but I'm not throwing a fit over it. This game was clearly marked beta no matter when we all started. Beta means unfinished so changes are inevitable.

[Zultor]

Deathlike, on 21 August 2013 - 09:40 AM, said:

It's a lie, but even if you don't feel that way...

It is still the responsibility of the devs to LET YOU KNOW aka KEEP YOU INFORMED of decision changes they make. The problem is how and when they went about it... AFTER patching the game and adding it w/o even having the discussion IN ADVANCE.

I gotta disagree with you. First on it being a lie. In order for it to be a lie they would have had to make their original claims of separate queues *knowing* that they weren't going to implement it. I don't believe that is the case.

I also have to disagree on your second point about communication. They don't have to have "communication". It is their game they can make it how they want with or without communication. Of course, they have to live with the consequences of changing things without informing the player base but indicating that it was somehow their responsibility to vet the changes with the players is very selfish in my opinion. Remember the game is in beta which, among other things, means it will change without notice.

The whole point of my post is to be careful how much hyperbole is used when complaining because all you are going to do is cause them to stop communicating. They have in the recent past been very open with their plans for the future of the game which I think is a good thing and would hate to see go away.

[Durant Carlyle]

Fine. They didn't lie.

But they DID do the exact opposite of what they said they were going to do.

It's that simple.

[Shiro Matsumoto]

Zultor, on 21 August 2013 - 11:06 AM, said:

I gotta disagree with you. First on it being a lie. In order for it to be a lie they would have had to make their original claims of separate queues *knowing* that they weren't going to implement it. I don't believe that is the case.

I also have to disagree on your second point about communication. They don't have to have "communication". It is their game they can make it how they want with or without communication. Of course, they have to live with the consequences of changing things without informing the player base but indicating that it was somehow their responsibility to vet the changes with the players is very selfish in my opinion. Remember the game is in beta which, among other things, means it will change without notice.

The whole point of my post is to be careful how much hyperbole is used when complaining because all you are going to do is cause them to stop communicating. They have in the recent past been very open with their plans for the future of the game which I think is a good thing and would hate to see go away.

Zultor, on 21 August 2013 - 11:06 AM, said:

I gotta disagree with you. First on it being a lie. In order for it to be a lie they would have had to make their original claims of separate queues *knowing* that they weren't going to implement it. I don't believe that is the case.

I also have to disagree on your second point about communication. They don't have to have "communication". It is their game they can make it how they want with or without communication. Of course, they have to live with the consequences of changing things without informing the player base but indicating that it was somehow their responsibility to vet the changes with the players is very selfish in my opinion. Remember the game is in beta which, among other things, means it will change without notice.

The whole point of my post is to be careful how much hyperbole is used when complaining because all you are going to do is cause them to stop communicating. They have in the recent past been very open with their plans for the future of the game which I think is a good thing and would hate to see go away.

so, this is good style?.. they KNEW its a touchy issue... the told us: nooo you never have to.. i continued to play and give them money, even got Phoenix pack, heh its a good game..... and suddenly its changed.... Bain & Switch i think is the term... would they have been truthful, from the moment they KNEW they abolish 1pv/Hardmode and would have made a post about it.. ok.. but so. i feel told all fine, to milk my purse a few months more.

There id a serious rrust issue now with anything the devs say.

Zultor, on 21 August 2013 - 11:06 AM, said:

I gotta disagree with you. First on it being a lie. In order for it to be a lie they would have had to make their original claims of separate queues *knowing* that they weren't going to implement it. I don't believe that is the case.

I also have to disagree on your second point about communication. They don't have to have "communication". It is their game they can make it how they want with or without communication. Of course, they have to live with the consequences of changing things without informing the player base but indicating that it was somehow their responsibility to vet the changes with the players is very selfish in my opinion. Remember the game is in beta which, among other things, means it will change without notice.

The whole point of my post is to be careful how much hyperbole is used when complaining because all you are going to do is cause them to stop communicating. They have in the recent past been very open with their plans for the future of the game which I think is a good thing and would hate to see go away.

so, this is good style?.. they KNEW its a touchy issue... the told us: nooo you never have to.. i continued to play and give them money, even got Phoenix pack, heh its a good game..... and suddenly its changed.... Bain & Switch i think is the term... would they have been truthful, from the moment they KNEW they abolish 1pv/hardmode and would have made a post about it (like the post about "why it has to be".. why not have told then CHEARLY: yes it will be a mix. no there will ne no hardmodes.... ok.. but so. i feel told all fine, to milk my purse a few times more.

There id a serious trust issue now with anything the devs say.

[Mavqie]

DaZur, on 21 August 2013 - 09:28 AM, said:

I'm more annoyed by the jackhats who've been TKing any team members they see using 3PV.

I was watching my son play last night and witnessed two different players on separate occasions TK a teammate when they spotted them using 3PV via their drone. We submitted images and names to support....

Have your opinion, voice your displeasure... But when you start griefing players because they utilize a game mechanic you have elected to disagree with, you've crossed the line.

Players like that are just pointless in any game and ruin it for everyone

i have no issues with 3rd person, i personally don't use it because i have no need to YET, BUT if someone wants to use it against me i have no issues with that either i as a gamer have no say whatsoever in how other people play the game

people just need to get a grip and lighten the **** up

3rd person is in boo bloody hoo

[Deathlike]

Zultor, on 21 August 2013 - 11:06 AM, said:

I gotta disagree with you. First on it being a lie. In order for it to be a lie they would have had to make their original claims of separate queues *knowing* that they weren't going to implement it. I don't believe that is the case.

Same was said for Coolant... 3PV, and now the queues. Yes.. PGI's track record is impeccable there.

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I also have to disagree on your second point about communication. They don't have to have "communication". It is their game they can make it how they want with or without communication. Of course, they have to live with the consequences of changing things without informing the player base but indicating that it was somehow their responsibility to vet the changes with the players is very selfish in my opinion. Remember the game is in beta which, among other things, means it will change without notice.

That beta excuse will go away soon. I can wait.

The thing that MOST CONSUMERS like (not just gaming, but in general) is to be told mostly what they plan on doing... regardless of whether they change their minds... at least people would be given the option to decide to stick with the plan or bail. When you are told lies upon lies like say Bernie Madoff, you will get angry consumers. It doesn't matter how you try to spin it.

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The whole point of my post is to be careful how much hyperbole is used when complaining because all you are going to do is cause them to stop communicating. They have in the recent past been very open with their plans for the future of the game which I think is a good thing and would hate to see go away.

They stop communicating serious issues on their own. They will go away on their own on their own efforts. The community is reacting as they should to their shattered trust in the promises made. If you are not going to keep your promise... DON'T MAKE ANY IN THE FIRST PLACE.

[Mavqie]

just to add when people use the paying money into the game as a valid excuse for any argument (sorry but i do see it a lot on these forums)

In no way are you forced to pay to play (obviously it helps a lot lol) but you are not forced, i have paid quite a bit in for mechs and premium etc at the moment i do not mainly because i dont have a huge amount of time to play at the moment so my premium time etc would be wasted

if your unhappy with the game just play ftp until your satisfied to a point when you will use some money again

[JeffGoldblum]

I honestly don't think 3pv is a big deal, it doesn't provide any tactical advantage whatsoever. Unless they implement a way to have light mechs climb onto your back, because you can't see anything behind you outside of maybe 5m. It takes out your minimap and lance information. 3pv makes it more difficult to aim. The only thing I can see it being an advantage is for new players to understand how the torso twist and leg twist differentiate and to help them get used to it. My view on everyone complaining and boo-hooing over the implementation are that they will never be pleased regardless of how the game is managed and tooled with.