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[Megahard]

So what, you can look over hills and see the enemy coming? Well that blinking drone is visible from 2000m so you are only giving away your position...

Will it help in combat? Hell no, it takes time to zoom in and out which completely makes it nonsensical to toggle.

It's good for noobs so that they learn to navigate in their mech; there's a reason it's default.


My team and I all run first person. It's simply better.

[Appogee]

Yes, it demonstrably is a problem for your team.

[Megahard]

Or just communicate and tell your ***** team not to use third person.

[MustrumRidcully]

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So what, you can look over hills and see the enemy coming? Well that blinking drone is visible from 2000m so you are only giving away your position...

But I am not giving the enemy the option to shoot me.

If you sit in your 2 ER PPC + Gauss Rifle Highlander, you might not care, because you're the guy doing the shooting-people-in-the-face-at-range guy.
But if you sit in a Jenner or Hunchback, or quite possibly in any short range brawler, you'll appreciate not having to take the risk that someone snipes for your curiosity.

[arghmace]

Megahard, on 21 August 2013 - 03:47 AM, said:

So what, you can look over hills and see the enemy coming? Well that blinking drone is visible from 2000m so you are only giving away your position...

Pardon? First you say that you can spot enemies. And then you say you ONLY give away your position. What do you mean only? Just prior to that sentence you yourself said the other things you get. I'm confused.

[Appogee]

Megahard, on 21 August 2013 - 03:57 AM, said:

Or just communicate and tell your ***** team not to use third person.

Good idea. Strangers always do what I tell them to in video games .

[Doctor King Schultz]

Megahard, on 21 August 2013 - 03:47 AM, said:

So what, you can look over hills and see the enemy coming? Well that blinking drone is visible from 2000m so you are only giving away your position...

You give: Your position.

You gain: Enemy position. Enemy mech composition. Enemy weapon loadout. Enemy speed & direction of movement. Enemy mech support.

Good games are built on risk vs. reward. 3PV tips the scales way too far.

Edited by Doctor King Schultz, 21 August 2013 - 04:16 AM.

[Royalewithcheese]

Megahard, on 21 August 2013 - 03:47 AM, said:

It's good for noobs so that they learn to navigate in their mech; there's a reason it's default.

It's actually terrible for new players. You can't see your feet in half the mechs, you have no mini-map, you've got no idea how the drone works (nothing tells you), your crosshair jumps all over the place, you can't aim effectively, nothing tells you how to disable 3PV, and so on. Just like arm lock, it makes the new player experience even worse while giving advanced players another tool.

Edited by Royalewithcheese, 21 August 2013 - 04:36 AM.

[Shazarad]

3PV is a non-issue to whatever advantage people says it gives and a non-issue to helping new players out.

Remember when we always hated seeing those new guys with their arm reticule on the far left or far right of their screen? Yeah me too. Arm lock fixed that. Anyone smart enough to ask and recognize arm lock is potentially bad just asked in game and everyone was happy to tell him how to turn it off.

Now, come to today and you see new players with 3PV camera enabled by default. They quickly realize its not so hot and again, ask people in game how to turn it off. Everyone is happy to share their...colorful opinion on 3PV and tells them how to turn it off.

Everyones happy. I see no issue here. I'd rather have these options on by default so as to not overload a new player with information like they were in closed beta. They will learn quickly enough, and if they dont, they probably didnt have the patience for this kind of game anyway.

[Kdogg788]

The 1600! comment thread in feedback about this is just way out of hand for just the first day. I can tell you for sure that in my experience, 3PV is much more difficult to use, especially in a light mech or anything requiring fast precision aim. On top of this, you can spot enemies before they crest a ridge by the blinking red drone behind them. Had a match on Frozen City and knew a Cataphract was coming over by his drone and caught him with the AC20s before he could react. Very few players that I've seen are actually using 3PV all the way through a fight, so I'm not sure why some believe it is so game breaking. 3PV is a nice aesthetic feature, but actually makes it harder to pilot effectively.

-k

[TheMagician]

Megahard, on 21 August 2013 - 03:47 AM, said:

So what, you can look over hills and see the enemy coming? Well that blinking drone is visible from 2000m so you are only giving away your position...

Will it help in combat? Hell no, it takes time to zoom in and out which completely makes it nonsensical to toggle.

It's good for noobs so that they learn to navigate in their mech; there's a reason it's default.


My team and I all run first person. It's simply better.

Incorrect.

I recommend that you try scrimming against a good team that uses 3PV & 1PV, and you only in 1PV. You'll be at a severe disadvantage.

[Mechwarrior0311]

You are right that 3PV is not a problem. I had originally thought it might be, but it isn't. There are advantages and disadvantages to both views, when I am in heavy combat I find myself switching back to 1st person view to get more detailed info, better targeting.

I think that a lot of people just look for any excuse they can to whine about something personally.

[DemonRaziel]

Shazarad, on 21 August 2013 - 05:23 AM, said:

Remember when we always hated seeing those new guys with their arm reticule on the far left or far right of their screen? Yeah me too. Arm lock fixed that. Anyone smart enough to ask and recognize arm lock is potentially bad just asked in game and everyone was happy to tell him how to turn it off.

Now, come to today and you see new players with 3PV camera enabled by default. They quickly realize its not so hot and again, ask people in game how to turn it off. Everyone is happy to share their...colorful opinion on 3PV and tells them how to turn it off.

The problem is, among other things, that the new players, that apparently have trouble telling where their legs and torso point, have absolutely no idea there is an alternative to such things as arm lock, throttle decay and now 3PV. And I am fairly certain many unexperienced players have no idea there is a floating ball above their heads, or, if they do, that it's not supposed to be all the time regardless of your view.

And while I would say that shame on them for not taking the time to even go trough the damn options thoroughly before dropping intoa game, you simply don't improve new player experience by introducing features that greatly limit their options and effectiveness in combat.

3PV fails at the task it was supposed to do and offers some additional use for the players that only want to utilize it every once in a while for better situational awareness in front of an obstacle that limits their view in 1PV.