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[MrZakalwe]

Khobai, on 22 August 2013 - 02:01 AM, said:

So much misinformation here.

First off, UAC/5s are not much better now than they were before the patch. Before the patch, players could simply use a macro to fire the UAC/5 nonstop with 0% jam rate. The only thing that lowering the jam rate accomplished was making it so players that dont use macros can get the same dps as players that do use macros.

Secondly, AC/5s were always worthless. That is not a recent development. The UAC/5 has always been better due to macros.

Lastly, UAC/5s are in no way better than PPC/Gauss when it comes to burst damage. UAC/5s are only better at sustained damage over time.

They are worse at burst damage- they just suffer less than most DPS weapons as they have higher DPS over a shorter window.

[akpavker]

lockwoodx, on 21 August 2013 - 11:02 PM, said:

I'm not just basing this off "OMG I died in PVP" either. I just blew threw 5 matches in less than 20 minutes. People are being absolutely shredded and matches end in mere minutes. All PGI has to do is look at that data alone to know something is being exploited for maximum damage, and that something is the UltraAC5. Personally I think it's a really fun weapon to use, but no way in hell it can stay this powerful the way the game currently plays. Since PGI is so slow to react and patch, that's why I said it's time for a month off. Good luck guys, you'll need it until they fix this mess.



Enjoy your advantage while it lasts. I'm sure there's plenty of guys like you out there who like to win at any cost. Who I truly feel sorry for are the medium players. Their armor is absolutely useless now against the Ultra onslaught. Cheers

PFFT!!! i was useing them befor the buff and did fine. you just dont get it.....

its because of d!>kheads like you crying on the forums that things get nerfed so badly.
im sure well see you back here in a month whineing when they make it so you cant use more the 1 UAC5 with out takeing a heat penelty.

[pulupulu]

I can attest that uac 5 definitely rip medium to shred now. Ac40 jager was easier to deal with than uac5. At least I can tank 1 hit and fire back, and maybe survive 8 to 12 sec while they reload. UAC 5 on the other hand just shread me in like 5 sec with me trying to spread damage. If I don't spread damage by twisting and focus on attack, I die even faster, I can get one shot off maybe. My poor hunchy. (against 2 uac, not 3)

So much for the medium buff.

I will now avoid heavy up to 800m.

Edited by pulupulu, 22 August 2013 - 02:37 AM.

[Khobai]

UAC/5s have always ripped mediums to shreds. Again thats nothing new.

UAC/5 (double shot before patch) - 3.61 dps
UAC/5 (single shot macro) - 4.54 dps
UAC/5 (double shot after patch) - 5.03 dps

So basically UAC/5 only does about 10% more damage than it did prior to the patch. Its really not that bad.

[pulupulu]

Khobai, on 22 August 2013 - 02:58 AM, said:

UAC/5s have always ripped mediums to shreds. Again thats nothing new.

UAC/5 (double shot before patch) - 3.61 dps
UAC/5 (single shot macro) - 4.54 dps
UAC/5 (double shot after patch) - 5.03 dps

So basically UAC/5 only does about 10% more damage than it did prior to the patch. Its really not that bad.

You mean now it is an ac20 dps but lighter and fire faster with longer range? that explained everything that my hunchy is feeling right now.

[Khobai]

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You mean now it is an ac20 dps but lighter and fire faster with longer range? that explained everything that my hunchy is feeling right now.

Its not an AC/20, an AC/20 does 20 damage at once, to the same location.

For a UAC/5 to do 20 damage to the same location requires you hit the target in the same spot with 4 shots, that all fire 0.5 seconds apart.

[pulupulu]

2 UAC 5 firing for 5.5 sec without jamming is 100 damage. (not even counting the ML they can bring)

So u r saying I can't survive that long because I got unlucky and he got lucky?

Whatever u say man, I survived a long time as a hunchy, but now I won't even try if target isn't hurt and I have a little damage on me. You can go CQC with those jaeger with dual uac5, and god help you when they prefer 3.

Edited by pulupulu, 22 August 2013 - 03:33 AM.

[Shae Starfyre]

I have been piloting a Lyra Mur (Cataphract) with one AC20, and 2 UAC 5 for a very long time. I use no macros, and I have learned to twist and fire, twist and fire, etc., to the timing such that I rarely jam. Nothing has changed for me, save the panic moment when you really need the weapon to function, it now jams half the time it did before.

Because this rig has only 4 tons of Ammo; I actually have to think about conservation more, as jamming use to be my "Ok, calm down and Chive" moments.

Now, It can get a bit carried away, I will admit. But, psychologically, I found it causes me to be a little more aggressive, to my downfall.

I think the change was good, but bring it back half way, may not be such a bad idea; however, I am still getting hit detection issues on all Mechs, so I just wonder what the tears will be like when that is resolved.

[Khobai]

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2 UAC 5 firing for 5.5 sec without jamming is 100 damage

2 UAC5s are also 18 tons/10 crits... not to mention another 7-8 tons/crits in ammo at least.

So why shouldnt they be better than an AC/20? They weigh a lot more.

Also keep in mind the AC/20 isnt the UAC/20, which is coming later on... regular ACs are not supposed to compete with ultra ACs for straight up DPS.

[pulupulu]

Khobai, on 22 August 2013 - 04:11 AM, said:

2 UAC5s are also 18 tons/10 crits... not to mention another 7-8 tons/crits in ammo at least.

So why shouldnt they be better than an AC/20? They weigh a lot more.

Also keep in mind the AC/20 isnt the UAC/20, which is coming later on... regular ACs are not supposed to compete with ultra ACs for straight up DPS.

I was comparing it to ac40.

Regardless. I can't wait till they introduce uac20. It is going to be lol with pgi's record so far.

Edited by pulupulu, 22 August 2013 - 04:28 AM.

[Farix]

I love the UAC/5 and try to incorporate them into my builds. However, they jam often unless you exercise a lot of trigger discipline. Even with the reduction in the jamming rate, this only translates to 1 or 2 additional shots before jamming.

Also, if you are carrying more than one UAC/5, you are likely running an XL engine because you need the extra weight to cram in as much ammo as you can into the mech (at least 3 tons per UAC). That will make the mech extra squishy and vulnerable to an ammo explosion. The only mechs that can carry more than two are the Cataphracts (Muromets and 4X) and Jagers (S and DD). More than three, you are not going to have enough room for the ammo you need.

Edited by Farix, 22 August 2013 - 05:24 AM.

[Murphy7]

My milage varies considerably, it seems.

I did better, have done better with 4 x AC/5 than I have with 3 x UAC/5, and part of that problem is perhaps that I haven't the foggiest notion of how to implement a macro, nor do I feel particularly compelled to learn it.

First shot jams still happen, which is super annoying regardless of the rate at which they may occur.

A lucky run of non-jamming can see a lot of damage thrown out very quickly, but it is far more common to get multiple jams and need to disengage or find cover while the weapons clear.

I still feel like the ER PPC / Gauss sniper builds out perform UAC5 builds at most every range, mainly because of the random jamming probability.

If you are lucky with jamming, come across an enemy that is either not moving well or not paying attention, you have a great opporuntity to remove them in short order with the DPS potential of UAC5s. But I don't see how that is far superior to ER PPC/Gauss, massed medium lasers, or AC/40 builds with the same target conditions and no fear of random jamming.

[Royalewithcheese]

pulupulu, on 22 August 2013 - 04:28 AM, said:

I was comparing it to ac40.

IMO it's not the same thing, because DPS isn't as effective as burst damage in this game.

Example: a couple of matches ago, I was using my UAC/5 Jager to ridgehump against a Highlander. I'd pop up, dump bullets into it, and pop down. I wasn't bringing anywhere near my full DPS to bear here, because half of the time I was behind the ridge. If I had done the same thing in my AC/40 Jager, the Highlander would have taken all of the damage my ballistics could potentially dish out. If I had stayed out and kept hammering away with the UAC/5s, the Highlander's team would have cored me very quickly.

Edited by Royalewithcheese, 22 August 2013 - 05:04 AM.

[DaZur]

You're a spaz...

Unless your target is standing still with their thumb up their ****, the DPS of the AUltra is going to spread as a result of the target moving!

What an absolutely clueless premise...

[pulupulu]

and we are back to square one.

i was saying i have easier time dealing with ac40 than 2 uac5. BECAUSE they aren't the same.

Edited by pulupulu, 22 August 2013 - 05:17 AM.

[MrZakalwe]

Interesting. I don't fear them in my Stalker but they can probably just stare you can and kill you in a medium as they aren't as afraid of your return fire.

[Further]

Guys.... Did you know that the UAC5 DPS is just a little above AC5? For more tonage and extra crit space and the chance of it jamming when you need it. It's balanced. Go make another PPC thread

[3rdworld]

Khobai, on 22 August 2013 - 04:11 AM, said:

not to mention another 7-8 tons/crits in ammo at least.

Wat.

Someone needs to learn trigger discipline.

[Training Instructor]

3rdworld, on 22 August 2013 - 05:41 AM, said:

Wat.

Someone needs to learn trigger discipline.

Well, if I have a good shot, I take it. I went through 7 tons in my Highlander last night.

[BookWyrm]

They tear through stationary targets very well, true. Just don't stand still and they're fine.