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[LoveLost85]

SirLANsalot, on 22 August 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

wow calling "news" from a Goonswarm propaganda site.....the very people trying to kill this game.

funny, as I was reading it the exact word that kept popping in my head, 'propaganda'. never have I seen so many fatalists in a gaming community

[General Taskeen]

Levon K, on 22 August 2013 - 11:02 AM, said:

Relax guys.

I've read plenty of rotten reviews of games and still purchased them.

Yeah? I hope to god you did not buy A:CM by using that logic. It can not be unseen.

LoveLost85, on 22 August 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

funny, as I was reading it the exact word that kept popping in my head, 'propaganda'. never have I seen so many fatalists in a gaming community

Charming to the last.

I assume you don't realize that No Guts No Galaxy is the propaganda arm of MWO then?

Edited by General Taskeen, 22 August 2013 - 02:30 PM.

[LoveLost85]

General Taskeen, on 22 August 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

Yeah? I hope to god you did not buy A:CM by using that logic. It can not be unseen.



Charming to the last.

I assume you don't realize that No Guts No Galaxy is the propaganda arm of MWO then?

I don't bother with ngng other than I watch the hero mech release videos. so I couldn't say, only am commenting on the article directed from this thread. and all I got from it is, "doom doom, terrible lies, gonna fail, horrible, doom doom" sad. I enjoy mwo with a select group of friends every night, yeah there are some development mistakes, yeah the communication could be better. but overall I think the games great, and I consider the 'omgitstheendofmwocausedevsaresodumb' people a big joke. those people need to stop thinking mwo is their live long lover who they are so close to they can pick out all the intricate flaws in a flash and cannot ever truly enjoy the game cause they can only enjoy it if its what their perfect vision of it should be. they need to go out and feed some ducks, or stroll the mall and get a grip lol.

[Jasen]

Sybreed, on 22 August 2013 - 10:52 AM, said:

Exactly, it's expected that (sorry) but|hurt founders will bash PGI in every way possible, especially right now now, in gaming articles. I don't take these seriously, because I already know the outcome of the article. If the guy at, say, IGN, that has no clue what MWO is about, gets the same feeling and understanding of the situation, then PGI is in trouble.

It's like asking a republican what he thinks of Obamacare. If you want an honest opinion, you ask a neutral expert.

Wait wait wait... its expected that the people that put out money before there was a game to play are going to bash it? Why is it expected? because those people have been lied to countless times?

Just wanting to clear up why exactly you EXPECT huge supporters of the game to bash it...

(I'm one of the bashers for sure but just curious why it is ok that it is expected...)

[TB Azrael]

SirLANsalot, on 22 August 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

wow calling "news" from a Goonswarm propaganda site.....the very people trying to kill this game.

The sad part is it's pretty accurate, if you aren't too much in denile or blind to see that.

[Lucian Nostra]

Dark day when you can agree with people that you've despised since they rolled into EvE..

[Agent of Change]

SirLANsalot, on 22 August 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

wow calling "news" from a Goonswarm propaganda site.....the very people trying to kill this game.

Well y'know if that's the case it is really sad that the article is so far the most well thought out and developed thing to come out of this whole debacle, lord knows Russ's self serving non-apology tripe didn't pass the test.

[Mycrus]

Fact - This iteration of the goons (WoL) is actually helping the community.

[aniviron]

Sybreed, on 22 August 2013 - 11:00 AM, said:

Because it is entirely counter-productive and not worth my time. Plus, you're missing the point. I'm taking about how useless the article is because of its bias and there's nothing denying it. If it had been posted by a more neutral site like IGN or RPS, then yeah, I'd have taken interest in the article. This one? I can just cast it aside.

Yeah, we would be much better off with an article posted on sites like IGN, who think that MWO is one of the 25 best shooters of all time, or RPS, who did so little research into the announcement of a new hero mech that they wrote PGI was going to give every player one for free.

I can see why you hate Word of Lowtax, it really is a drag having a group of people who actively prop up the dwindling playerbase, and still care enough about the game to actually want to see it get better.

[Takeo]

Great job PGI looks like we got a major SNAFU on our hads and you just can't help but make it worse. any chance I can get all the Money I put into this game back!!!

Regardless if you like Goons or not they help the game, but if PGI keeps doing this even they will not be able to save it.

[Mackman]

Sybreed, on 22 August 2013 - 11:00 AM, said:

Because it is entirely counter-productive and not worth my time. Plus, you're missing the point. I'm taking about how useless the article is because of its bias and there's nothing denying it. If it had been posted by a more neutral site like IGN or RPS, then yeah, I'd have taken interest in the article. This one? I can just cast it aside.

Oh, no, it's really easy to deny it: I just have to ask you to point out factual inaccuracies in the blog, instead of just appealing to "bias", and that'll shut you up for good, because when it comes to facts, that article is darn near water-tight.

I believe it would be actually impossible to cover this "apology" in a way that didn't sound biased, simply because the apology is so incredibly horrible that an accurate reporting of it would seem harsh and unfair.

[Eisfalken]

I figured I'd throw this out on the fire, since I've been tinkering with MWO for the past year, a couple of nights every month, to see how it's been progressing.

First, some background. I played the original Mechwarrior on a Tandy PC my parents bought at Radio Shack, and most Mechwarrior/Battletech games since then. I've done the computer games, the tabletop one, just about everything. Never read the books, mostly from lack of time and whatnot, so I can't say I'm a complete fan of the setting. But in general, mecha is one of my favorite types of sci-fi and/or anime; I've been pretty hopped up on just about any show about giant robots being piloted by people to wage war and stuff.

It would be fair to say that I'm not hard to please in this regard.

So about a year or a year and a half ago I heard about MWO. Sounded great. Fired it up, ran into first problem: very heavy graphics requirements. Sucks to be me, I guess, so I slowly upgraded hardware as I had money to do so.

Started playing a bit. Looked like fun. Then I got bored. Same six maps seemed to come up over and over and over for different match types. I played a solid weekend, just hours of it. Never got to see much. It was basically boring after a few days. I mean, there's got to be ways to randomize day/night cycle, weather, terrain, etc. But no, it was always the same.

So I dropped out, played other stuff to bide my time. "It's a beta, after all," I told myself and my gamer buddies. "We can't ask them to feed us a 7-course meal at the salad bar, right? Let's just wait a bit."

Now I see all this about third-person view. Hate it. HATE it. Hated it in every other shooter or simulator game I have every played. I'm sure some folks love Gears of War and Tomb Raider and all the other games that use third-person view. I started playing all of those games, and never finished, because I can not abide by it.

All the arguments about the unnatural advantages third-person gives over first-person is pretty much factual; you can't logically argue that it isn't an advantage in long-range tactical gameplay. Traditionally, Mechwarrior is a vehicle simulator. Trying to make it a shooter sucks. Remember MechAssault? Yeah, neither do I. Nor the sequel. But ask a lot of average older gamers about Mechwarrior 2, and you're in for a long {Noble MechWarrior} soliloquy about how great it was. A few like me remember hours spent on the first game, with those now-awful graphics, stomping around with a whole squad at your back.

If this game goes third-person, I'm out. Most of the guys I know won't be playing it either. They don't want shooter. They want simulator. We're already not terribly happy about the microtransaction {Scrap} in beta, and not too happy about how limited gameplay actually is. Not fond of being able to basically pay to not worry about heat sink some; that's kind of one of the big factors in every game thus far.

Meh, thanks, but no thanks. If the rest of you guys enjoy this, that's great. And if 3PV adds and keeps so many players that the game outlasts anything else, that's great, too. But this isn't a game I'm willing to spend money on, and I don't think any of my friends will be, either.

And we'll just see in a year if the decision to do third-person was the right one.

[KovarD]

This is the best article about MWO I ever read. The guy who wrote understands about what is happening with MWO.

[JingleHell]

SirLANsalot, on 22 August 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

wow calling "news" from a Goonswarm propaganda site.....the very people trying to kill this game.

SirLANsalot, on 22 August 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

wow calling "news" from a Goonswarm propaganda site.....the very people trying to kill this game.

As a general rule, if I was a game developer, I'd be scared out of my wits at chasing off a huge gaming community.

See, what PGI and apologists are failing to realize is this. If they chase off the hardcore player base (which even PGI calls those who don't want anything to do with 3PV), there won't be nearly as much of a meta, there won't be as many fansites, there won't be third party resources, there won't be clans posting youtube vids and Twitch streams of huge, spectacular events.

When you chase off the people that provide the majority of the high quality third party content revolving around your game, which is inevitably the hardcore crowd, new players and casual players lose resources, without those resources, they play less, get less motivated to spend money.

Balance becomes a hot mess because you don't have the demographic that shows what's broken, and without serious knowledge of what is and isn't broken, you get poorly implemented reactionary balance changes that... oh wait, we already get those, I guess that point is null.

The fact is, tons of people talk a mean game about not caring if the hardcore playerbase exists for a game. But when they start to jump ship, it's usually indicative. SW:tOR, DCUO, both crashed compared to launch expectations, largely due to poor dev communication, major balance flaws, and buggy or insufficient endgame content. Sound familiar? I really doubt they're the only ones, I'm just most intimately familiar with those examples.

[AdamBaines]

Lord.....sometimes when I read these forms....all i hear in my head as I read is the Charlie Brown adult voice sound. Whu whua whu whu whuaaaaaaa......

[Fishbrane]

PGI should probably lock and delete some more 3PV posts.

That will probably make all the new players believe nothing is wrong.

Why are there only four of five founders still around?

Oh, uh.... well you see, they all joined a cult and moved to Central America.

Yeah, Central America! Near the Congo

... Thats it.

[Cik]

DegeneratePervert, on 22 August 2013 - 10:22 AM, said:

As soon as this sentence came up...

"But why is everyone - Goon, Pubbie, and all the people in-between - reacting so harshly to an apparent good-will gesture?"

... I lost interest in the article as a whole, and didn't finish it. I don't care for goon-news, and the situation isn't even worth reporting on. The forums blew up over a small issue, a bunch of man-children wet themselves. End of story, no need for article.

hehehehehehe, oh golds

[Waking One]

Atomicoxen, on 23 August 2013 - 03:37 PM, said:

PGI should probably lock and delete some more 3PV posts.

That will probably make all the new players believe nothing is wrong.

Why are there only four of five founders still around?

Oh, uh.... well you see, they all joined a cult and moved to Central America.

Yeah, Central America! Near the Congo

... Thats it.

but... not much is wrong, except a bunch of man children crying they didnt get exactly the game they thought they would, which never happens anyway

[Fishbrane]

Waking One, on 23 August 2013 - 04:22 PM, said:

but... not much is wrong, except a bunch of man children crying they didnt get exactly the game they thought they would, which never happens anyway

Man child huh? Well, I'm 32 and I still play video games so I guess the shoe fits. Mechwarrior definitely takes me back to my childhood and thats part of the reason that so many of us are so passionate about this game.

Happily, I also have a man sized paycheck to go with the man child video gaming. So PGI is already processing my 120.00 overlord package back off of its books. If they want any more of my manchild money, they're going to have to change their attitudes on social media and stop doing the exact things they said they wouldn't do.

If you're okay with a developer telling you one thing and doing another, then more power to you. I'm not and I intend to continually rant and rave about it. Why? Because the squeaky wheel gets the grease. A closed mouth does not get fed. etc etc etc

Not ashamed.

[Cik]

Waking One, on 23 August 2013 - 04:22 PM, said:

but... not much is wrong, except a bunch of man children crying they didnt get exactly the game they thought they would, which never happens anyway

please dicksuck harder. your insults are laughably pathetic. please. "oh no, those manchildren! caring about being ripped off by lying charlatans! better go make a post asserting that nothing is wrong while rome burns to the ground!" please leave and never return. your attitude makes me sick.