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[Ravensshadow]

Noonan, on 27 August 2013 - 06:47 AM, said:

The forum moderation seems to be highly insufficient IMO. Numerous troll posts that are allowed to multiply like rabbits. Until proper forum moderation occurs, the posts will continue to have this tone. If I was a new player checking out MWO these forums would cause me to move on and continue to look for a game to play.

Well Mr troll

thats all forums no matter the game...


ACtually I have found most of the posts against 3pv to be pretty consice and constructive... You must be the type that thinks giving constructive critism and solid feedback and putting in the hard work to make DOZENS of videos showing exploits that 3pv is being used in ways other than intended to be disrespectful.

They ASKED us for our feedback... didnt you see that post? again they ASKED us for out feedback and we gave it...... we gave it in droves..... and all we get is nothing..... still no response.that is unnaccaptable and disrespectful.

[DEN_Ninja]

Ravensshadow, on 27 August 2013 - 06:57 AM, said:

WEll lets start if they didnt lie to us we would not be complaining as much.....

They the the MWO community was aganst 3pv and still they FORCED it upon us...

If they are short handed they whould not have WASTED so much time on 3pv and instead worked on communitiy warfare which the mow community actually wants...

F2p games are supposed to use our money for what the community wants.. as you see i am a founder (get what your give) and I feel my money was wasted on 3pv and not put to where i wanted it towared community warfare...

Then there are the rumors to where the founder money actually went...

We have been stating out concerns, doing research and beta testing 3pv and have found many exploits that 3pv is being used in a way other than its intended goal (to help new player, and in my opinion it is only going to make it harder for new palyers), All we have done is be constructive and helpful and all we get is having out helpful advice ignored or beign told we are simply a fringe minority.

If you dont like out posts.... no one is forcing you to read them but you need to stop telling lies about the people who are doing thier best to see thios game is not a failure.

Yeah, did you even read the reasoning behind 3PV? It was in the design tanks much longer than people thought. The purpose of this beta to test. We guinea pigs that are asked to test features whether they work or not. In this case I do agree that 3PV is something that should only be used in a tutorial.

Am I going to ask for a refund and blatantly spit in the face of PGI by saying they are liars and are incompetent? No.

NOTHING IS SET IN STONE. Not a single thing they say ever unless it is in a legally binding contract is prone to consumer suits.

When League of Legends cancels a champion are you allowed to pull for a refund on every penny you spent?

If you want to remove a feature then add simple, objective, and constructive criticism. They aren't lying because for them they only say whats on their mind and not what they will decide is best for the game. In this case the dev team found that 3PV was important enough to be developed. I won't be happy until they either remove it or delegate it to a tutorial only feature. I will not act like a spoiled angry child.

[Elder Thorn]

OnLashoc, on 26 August 2013 - 08:33 PM, said:

I think people need to stop with the inflammatory behavior towards PGI and it's staff.

You don't want 3PV, I think they get it. Can you guys be a little more mature and stop attacking their character? I am surprised they haven't been banning people for using their forums and services they provide to bad mouth and spread down right lies about the company and their product. Regardless if you like the product or not, I think there is a more mature and rational way to respectfully disagree with PGI and their products / services they provide us free of charge.

In some points you are right. But on the other hand: A community doesn't start all this because of nothing (except some freak mayhaps). The more people are raging and yelling and crying and whatever, the more one should think about why. The problem is, that PGI just tells them / us (i honestly do not know if i should be in the pool of people that are adressed with your post) that they / we are a minority that doesn't matter - either because we have too many forum posts because we provided feedback during closed beta or because they / we are the "vocal minority".

However, i agree that attackign people in personal is just flat out wrong - i use strong language from time to time, but i try to keep it on a level that isn't attacking people personally.

[Ravensshadow]

Noonan, on 27 August 2013 - 06:47 AM, said:

The forum moderation seems to be highly insufficient IMO. Numerous troll posts that are allowed to multiply like rabbits. Until proper forum moderation occurs, the posts will continue to have this tone. If I was a new player checking out MWO these forums would cause me to move on and continue to look for a game to play.

Also that is quite an insult towards the forum moderators and it is not cool ti insult staff like that.

[PPO Kuro]

PPO Kuro, on 27 August 2013 - 02:15 AM, said:

Most of it is complaining, a minority of the post are well written and have valid points. Post I don't like, the one attacking certain ppl directly without any actual facts. Post I do like, critical post where ppl describe their annoyance with PGI in general. Because, there are certainly things PGI NEEDS to do better.

I'm talking about communication. There making to many mistakes in that department. And it's my biggest grievance against PGI.

Ravensshadow, on 27 August 2013 - 06:42 AM, said:

I have been extremely critical of pgi and attacking people personally is unnacceptable. I have yet to read a single lie.... Name one or stop lying your self.

Uhm.... What? Did you quote the wrong post?

Edited by PPO Kuro, 27 August 2013 - 07:16 AM.

[Ravensshadow]

Monky, on 27 August 2013 - 02:06 AM, said:

People keep going on about complaining and complainers.

It's getting kind of old and I just want to remind you - the real world isn't fair, and you aren't going to get a pat on the head for ******** on the dining room table - whether you're PGI breaking promises or a forum goer screaming about how terrible that is.

There is only one group entirely in the right here and it's the people who stated what they don't like about it, what they're going to do about it, and then did it.

Actualy your wrong... This is a F2p game and the only people who are right is the people whot have contributed to the game and we wnat the promises kept that were made when we made those contributions..... or a refund.

[Sam Slade]

Tichorius Davion, on 27 August 2013 - 07:07 AM, said:

They aren't lying because for them they only say whats on their mind and not what they will decide is best for the game.

You miss the point. The hypothetical lie occurs when a company representative gives an assurance about a product which is designed to influence a customers purchasing decisions and which the representative cannot deliver(no if, but or maybe; you say it you do it). Neglecting this responsibility, even through omission, is called misrepresentation and you can't do it without possible consequence.

Edited by Sam Slade, 27 August 2013 - 07:23 AM.

[Ravensshadow]

SmashedOne, on 27 August 2013 - 01:24 AM, said:

couldn't have said it better. the complainers need to stop acting like spoilt children and GROW UP. all this negativity and "i'm gonna uninstall unless pgi do xxx." go ahead and uninstall, cos you won't be missed with that attitude, and we're sick of reading your ****.
you can express your opinions without being complete tools

Have you contributed a single cent to the game.....

I bet you have not event read many of our posts.... If you had you would realize mot are constructive and well thought (not mine i am a raving lunatic disabled veteran with ptsd) The mwo communtiy is trying to tell them we the player do not want to be forced to play 3pv exploiters, Something the clearly and admantly stated they we never would have to do. Lying is the immaute thing to no, not holdign up to your promises is the immature thing to do. Whining about people doing hard work and spending hundreds of hours finding exploits and taking vidoes and screenshots is immature..... its you who needs to GROW UP and start respecting those that have put the hours into doing the research necessary to back up our point of view for teh sole purpsoe of imp[roving the game..

cdrolly, on 26 August 2013 - 10:58 PM, said:

i agree with you mate... some of the players are just a bunch of QQ. PGI you have taken on a big project with MWO and I am happy with they way you have implemented things... Sure there have been many changes that I was not happy with but you know what I adapt. got no time to QQ about a game. I have pumped dollars into this game because I Loves it and will continue to because I loves it... What I dont loves is the amount of QQing... Oh he poptarded me with a PPC QQ Im going to complain and get it nerfed, oh SRMS are so OP im going to QQ about it and get it nerfed... Sheesh ppl get a grip.

If you are noti happy with changes and not giving constructive feedback you are doing a disservice to the game.

[NuclearPanda]

Tichorius Davion, on 27 August 2013 - 06:02 AM, said:

. Do I fault them for lying? No, they did not lie. The lack of communication has caused this.

Um yeah, they very clearly lied to the whole community. They lied so much that they felt the need to issue an non-apology AFTER they implemented something they said would never happen.



I believe this is someone's sig here in this very thread. The proof is in the pudding.

[Xendojo]

Project Phoenix is a slap in the face to the founders. The only reason i purchased elite founders was to get a mech with bonuses on it. Now PP buyers get mechs with better bonuses AND a standard variant of that mech\s!! And they get more mechs for less money. Sure founders got MC too, but MC is temporary, the mechs last for the life of the account.

There have been broken promises or *changes in directon*:

• Coolant Flush
  
• 3PV
  
• Consumables, P2W (granted they *kind of* fixed this one)
  
• PC only (just wait on this one, the time will come)

Founders were given expectations that have been badly damaged or flat out broken. Sorry, but it upsets me greatly that the people that kickstarted this game are being treated like they don't matter anymore through the actions of PGI.

While you are correct that some people are taking it too far, or are being toxic and childish, please remember that it is PGI that broke the faith, not the users.

[Ravensshadow]

Tichorius Davion, on 27 August 2013 - 07:07 AM, said:

Yeah, did you even read the reasoning behind 3PV? It was in the design tanks much longer than people thought. The purpose of this beta to test. We guinea pigs that are asked to test features whether they work or not. In this case I do agree that 3PV is something that should only be used in a tutorial.

Am I going to ask for a refund and blatantly spit in the face of PGI by saying they are liars and are incompetent? No.

NOTHING IS SET IN STONE. Not a single thing they say ever unless it is in a legally binding contract is prone to consumer suits.

When League of Legends cancels a champion are you allowed to pull for a refund on every penny you spent?

If you want to remove a feature then add simple, objective, and constructive criticism. They aren't lying because for them they only say whats on their mind and not what they will decide is best for the game. In this case the dev team found that 3PV was important enough to be developed. I won't be happy until they either remove it or delegate it to a tutorial only feature. I will not act like a spoiled angry child.

Yes i did read the resoning behing it and i found it lacking and jsut plain... well i will leave it at that.....

Also 3pv fails in its intended opurpose..... and legally speaking varies greatly from country.... a

Lastley this game is no longer in beta. Beta ended when they started taking real currency and said there were no more wipes.

They did lie they said soimething they and it is not what they said it was but you seem to want to play word games..

And directoly insulting me calling me and angry child is unacceptable....Odds are i am older than you and insulting someone jsut because they have a different opinion that you is unactcable.. Being critical of those of us who are giving constructive feed back is unactcable....we have put in a lot of time doing the research to pack up our point of view. we are not the ones sniping form the sidelines disrecting the hard work we put in to try and make sure the game is not a failure.

Also you need to stop lying about what we are saying....... I have not read a single post asking 3pv to removed from the game all we want is for the to take the few seconds needed to flio the switch and turn on hardcore mode.

Xendojo, on 27 August 2013 - 07:32 AM, said:

Project Phoenix is a slap in the face to the founders. The only reason i purchased elite founders was to get a mech with bonuses on it. Now PP buyers get mechs with better bonuses AND a standard variant of that mech\s!! And they get more mechs for less money. Sure founders got MC too, but MC is temporary, the mechs last for the life of the account.

There have been broken promises or *changes in directon*:

• Coolant Flush
  
• 3PV
  
• Consumables, P2W (granted they *kind of* fixed this one)
  
• PC only (just wait on this one, the time will come)

Founders were given expectations that have been badly damaged or flat out broken. Sorry, but it upsets me greatly that the people that kickstarted this game are being treated like they don't matter anymore through the actions of PGI.


While you are correct that some people are taking it too far, or are being toxic and childish, please remember that it is PGI that broke the faith, not the users.

Well put sir

[NuclearPanda]

Ravensshadow, on 27 August 2013 - 06:57 AM, said:

Then there are the rumors to where the founder money actually went...

Well I know there have been quite a few extended "vacations" lately by some key staff.

We know this because that was the excuse for lack of comms to the community.

[Kes Moreau]

LEAVE PGI ALOOOOONE !!

[Cik]

armyunit, on 26 August 2013 - 11:33 PM, said:

Enough with the weak excuses. The mistakes and bad actions that PGI has done do not in any way justify the nasty things that people have said. If "You get what you give", then everyone that has been nasty to PGI should be banned.

And besides all that, acting immature simply does not help the situation at all. If any of you people "care" at all about the game or franchise, you would watch what you say, and how you say it.

oh wait ****, actually when people **** up with things you care about, you can call them whatever you want, and better yet they deserve it for screwing up in the first place. people should not be allowed to **** things over and hear only praise.

[Murilo Specht]

Everytime someone says "it's not about 3pv, it's about the lies", I picture a child banging his head against the wall and crying loudly.

[DEN_Ninja]

I remember why I left forum fighting to the forum warriors now.

3PV, Coolant, Consumables.

Coolant has had really no solid effect.
Third Person at this rate is bound to be separated or removed.
Consumables are fine...What is wrong with them that you can honestly tell me is P2W or Overpowered? Sure they were but that fixed.

I expect PGI to make the game they want to make the game. I never came into this expecting that PGI cater to every fan's wants and desires.

This game would not even exist if fans had their way with it. Especially since so many like to voice that PGI is too incompetent to make a game and think they could do better themselves.

Its okay they can all go back to playing MW: LL with the 40 other folks that still play it.

Oh by the way you arrogant [REDACTED] that believe that PGI is to be held at gunpoint to every word they say as law and should follow through, go redact yourself. I am going to go play MWO now.

Edited by Tichorius Davion, 27 August 2013 - 08:04 AM.

[BattleTechMan]

Taxxian, on 27 August 2013 - 06:58 AM, said:

If you didn't attack someone personal and you expressed your opinion in a modest manner thats absolutely fine, and this thread is not about you...

To the lies:

"I will unstall the game..."
"I NEVER EVER pay one dollar again"
"I will buy Hero Mech X immediately once you fix Y ASAP!"
"I will nerver play a PGI game again!"
"Premium time is completely useless now, I will never buy Premium again!"
"By, by the game is over for me!"

You think they ALL really meant and did what they wrote?

Well except for uninstalling the rest are true for me, so you don't know {Scrap}. So while I haven't uninstalled the game yet, in hopes that there will at least be separate ques, I have not logged in once since the drop of 3pv. I have not spent a dime on more MC. Premium time is wasted, that I am not sure about, as I am terrible at math. I already have several hero mechs, haven't bought a new once since the X-5 dropped. So while some of the things you said are true, some are not for others, making YOUR STATEMENT UNTRUE, also known as FALSE, or a FARCE. Not sure what word you need to hear to get it to sink in.

Sam Slade, on 27 August 2013 - 07:20 AM, said:

You miss the point. The hypothetical lie occurs when a company representative gives an assurance about a product which is designed to influence a customers purchasing decisions and which the representative cannot deliver(no if, but or maybe; you say it you do it). Neglecting this responsibility, even through omission, is called misrepresentation and you can't do it without possible consequence.

This is also true, considering its in most consumer protection laws around the globe. Saying one thing and doing another is lying and hypocritical.

So have i stopped playing....yes
Have I stopped buying MC...yes
Have I stopped my purchase for Phoenix Package and spent it on Rome 2 instead....yes
If there are separate ques for 3rd and 1st will i contiue to play again...yes
If there are separate ques for 3rd and 1st will i buy more MC and purchase the Phoenix Package...yes

See, no lies, all truth. I think you may need to look up the word lie/lying just to let you know.

[DEN_Ninja]

If I remember correctly the only reason why there aren't separate queues is because they wish to TEST, reason why we are here, the effect of 3PV.

Did anyone else even bother too look at the game modes to see Hardcore mode?

[Xendojo]

Tichorius Davion, on 27 August 2013 - 08:14 AM, said:

If I remember correctly the only reason why there aren't separate queues is because they wish to TEST, reason why we are here, the effect of 3PV.

Did anyone else even bother too look at the game modes to see Hardcore mode?

Correct to a point.

PGI understands that if they enabled hardcore now, nobody would be playing anything else. Kind of makes a point in and of itself.

This *feature* is so unwanted and unnecessary that if they did not force us to play with it it would go entirely unused, except for people who wish to abuse it for advantage.

But please stop with the 3PV discussion, there are enough threads for that already.

[Ravensshadow]

Murilo Specht, on 27 August 2013 - 07:48 AM, said:

Everytime someone says "it's not about 3pv, it's about the lies", I picture a child banging his head against the wall and crying loudly.

Sorta like you just did?

Complaining about people lying is bad? That's quite a world view you have.