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[Jonas]

The reason I am asking is I really didn't see the Griffin or the Wolverine being added so with that said we have them now or I should say soon enough. So we now have 6 classic mechs to pilot well they make a full of classics if so what would the other 6 be? Will they be viable in the meta game once we are out of Beta? I mean its the year of the Invasion in all honesty the first wave should be winding down and the second wave gearing up. Anyone have any thoughts on what other Mech they might add or how they will stack up when compared to the mechs already in game?

[SgtMagor]

I want to see the Super Wasp, and Super Griffin. don't care if they don't have 3 variants. if anything make them hero mechs, but they are Project Phoenix mechs. The Super Griffin was designed in "Project Phoenix" together with the Super Wasp at the Friden Aerospace Park research facility on Hoff woot!

Edited by SgtMagor, 29 August 2013 - 05:37 PM.

[Mr Murder Longshanks]

Rhino Pack comes out in Sept for $20 bucks. Single heavy mech with 8 jump jets, 4 LL, 1 Gause, 1 AC10, 2 SSRM, top speed 99 mph and a damn lolly for you to suck on while running around the battlefield. You will have to own the Saber pack before you can get the Rhino.

Edited by Mr Murder Longshanks, 29 August 2013 - 07:29 PM.

[Khobai]

They need a marauder/warhammer pack. Who the hell cares about gimped mediums.

[BookWyrm]

My prediction is that this will be the last addition to the Phoenix package. I'm sure preparations have already begun for the 'Clan Invasion Package' that we will see for similar pricing summer of next year.

[General Taskeen]

I'm sure later on, yeah - but not apart of the package 'deal.' They have over 100+ Mechs to choose from to add into the game.

Edited by General Taskeen, 29 August 2013 - 08:11 PM.

[Karyudo ds]

Jonas, on 29 August 2013 - 03:22 PM, said:

The reason I am asking is I really didn't see the Griffin or the Wolverine being added...

I think there was a picture of the Wolverine concept being made but 3 of the mechs are from Dougram and those two are both Dougram mechs as well which Catalyst has the go ahead on since no one makes Dougram shows/movies these days. Pity, it actually was sort of detailed. So I was hoping but yeah, as a tack on pack I wasn't entirely expecting.

The majority of the others are Macross mechs though and Macross is still alive and well... and also Robotech needs to make money trying to take people to court since making shows is hard. So I'm sort of expecting PGI to remain shy on the Macross related mechs, but the Shimmering-Sword designed ones were good enough one got into a Catalyst product at least. I would seriously just use those, they look better now anyway.

SgtMagor, on 29 August 2013 - 05:35 PM, said:

I want to see the Super Wasp, and Super Griffin. don't care if they don't have 3 variants. if anything make them hero mechs, but they are Project Phoenix mechs. The Super Griffin was designed in "Project Phoenix" together with the Super Wasp at the Friden Aerospace Park research facility on Hoff woot!

Some people never learn it seems. They came up with legally distinct new designs and yet still decided to strap FAST Packs onto the mechs and attach the same Super to their name. They do look cool though.

[Angel of Annihilation]

I think these are probably the last of them. This set of 6 pretty much covers all the reseens from Crusher Joe and Dougram. The rest are all Harmony Gold mechs from Macross and we all know how psychotic that are when it comes to those mechs.

The only other reseens are either Clan or Quads.

[Hexenhammer]

Khobai, on 29 August 2013 - 08:00 PM, said:

They need a marauder/warhammer pack. Who the hell cares about gimped mediums.

Don't know if they'll do it as a pair or as singles. Either way they are coming.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Hexenhammer, on 29 August 2013 - 08:49 PM, said:

Don't know if they'll do it as a pair or as singles. Either way they are coming.

Sincerely doubt it or else they would already been in. These mechs are just too iconic for them to have held them back and for them to not have already taken advantage of this particular cash cow. Eventually maybe they will make their way in if they find a way around Harmony Golds attention but I really doubt they will be in anytime soon.

[BookWyrm]

Perhaps PGI is doing us a solid and saving all that Phoenix money to pay off Harmony Gold for the rights? Nah..they'd never be that cool.

Edited by BookWyrm, 29 August 2013 - 09:03 PM.

[Khobai]

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Sincerely doubt it or else they would already been in. These mechs are just too iconic for them to have held them back

Theyre reseen though, so they would have been held back. If PGI was going to release them, now would be the time.

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Perhaps PGI is doing us a solid and saving all that Phoenix money to pay off Harmony Gold for the rights? Nah..they'd never be that cool.

I dont believe Harmony Gold has rights on the reseen, only the unseen.

[Sephlock]

I would literally murder a hobo and eat his liver for a Scorpion.

[Anjian]

I would rather not have any of the Macross related reseen if it requires any sort of financial accomodation with Harmony Gold. Its just not right. Legally though, PGI would have the edge if PGI based their version of the Unseen on the original Project Phoenix reseen. It totally depends on their legal balls. But even then, PGI would have to pay for their legal defense out of their pockets, and they won't get any compensation until the case is won and the court orders the losing party Harmony Gold to pay for PGI's legal costs. This kind of worry is simply a big distraction for the game effort, and you cannot afford that. You cannot afford the cost, and worst, the distraction, the anxiety and the loss of focus.

I suppose PGI keeps the hope that someday, they can incorporate the remaining Unseen, when the game is on much better ground with a better cash flow. But right now I don't think so. If you are a child you don't go fight a man's battle even if you are right. You have to bid for your time. I do not believe the door is closed --- it remains open --- and the financial rewards are there because I'm sure people will plug that with their wallets.

But it is just unlikely for now.

At the most, the next closest would be the Super Griffin, they can mod the Griffin's model to become a 60 tonner. And later in the Clan period, bring out the Clan version of the Locust, the Locust IIC. I can't think why PGI would not recycle existing designs like for the Hunchback, Centurion and the Locust to come out with their IIC versions.
After Wolverine and Griffin, PGI needs to move on, not to spending effort on more Unseen, but to bring in the Clan mechs. Clan mechs need to be their focus for 2014.

[Monky]

Marauder, Warhammer, Rifleman, Phoenix Hawk and we'll have all of the original mechwarrior 1 mechs... Really surprised we're getting so close.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Khobai, on 29 August 2013 - 09:10 PM, said:

I dont believe Harmony Gold has rights on the reseen, only the unseen.

This is correct as far as my knowledge however the problem is that Harmony Gold is sitting on a hair trigger ready to take legal action on anything even remotely related to the the unseen whether they can win or not. This means that even if PGI uses the Reseen versions, they will likely still have to spend money defending against a lawsuit despite the outcome of that lawsuit. Basically it is just easier and cheaper for PGI to not even touch the Macross mechs which is why we haven't seen them already and aren't likely too.

Also you have a second factor that makes adding the Macross mechs into the game an issue. The reseens of the Macross mechs really don't look anything like the Iconic mechs that Harmony Gold owns. Now I realize that is the whole point but for real fans, i.e. the people who really want to see these mechs in game, they want recognizable mechs that are very similar to the original art. If you make them different enough to pass muster against Harmony Gold's claim, then you have basically had to design a totally new and fictionally mech and slapped the Marauder or Warhammer name on it. Basically just because you call a mech a Marauder or Warhammer doesn't mean it is a Warhammer.

Now PGI can get away with this on mechs like the Quickdraw which looks nothing like the TRO art but I am not sure they can get away with it on mechs with this level of iconism.

Now don't get me wrong, I would would love to see the unseen make it into the game somehow, in fact my Corp and I were discussing what mechs we would consider as being the perfect mech for us and all I could come up with was the Marauder MAD-5M. In fact I like the loadout and hardpoints on this mech so much I think I would gratefully accept even the most oddball reseen art on this mech just to get it in.

Edit: I take that back, just looked at some of the reseen Marauder designs out there and alot of them are just plain ugly so I guess I will have to back off on that "oddball" statement a bit.

Edited by Viktor Drake, 30 August 2013 - 06:15 AM.