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[R E A V E R]

Dear sir

I know that i will be crucified for this on the forum and i am ok with that. I am one of the silent players who post rarely and pay for this game. I have bought a Yellow founders pack, MC multiple times, a Yen-Lo-Wang and now project Phoenix Overlord pack. I will also look seriously at purchasing the saber pack.

The reason for this letter is to say THANK YOU for this game. I think that the execution of it whilst sometimes has annoyed me, it is moving in a good direction. I love the way the mechs look and feel. I love the cockpit designs and weapon effects. I love the maps and the sheer tactical value of teamwork. I have been a fan of MW for a long time. I have played mech 2 and all packs, mech 3 and pirates moon and mech 4 and its incarnations in NBT competative league play. This is the most epic incarnation of the mechwarrior franchise yet. It is what mech 3 should have evolved into.

You guys are making something special and i THANK you for it. Even though i will get the hell trolled out of me on these forums, i feel it is worth it to let you know that you should be proud of this game. A group of friends and i tried to develop a mecha style game using multiverse and after 8 years, even with talented people it couldn't get off the ground. I can say to you that i can understand a large percentage of the challenges of getting a game like this to work. and knowing that you had a small team and are a small studio working with a new engine with ****** all in the way of tools i applaud the result that you have given to us and i don't mind being a paying customer so that others can experience what you have made for free.

I can also understand that as new challenges arise etc... and new aspects enter the game so that more people can enjoy this product, that certain rash promises shouldn't have been made. I am alluding to the third person view and the retraction of the multi-que thing etc.... I cannot see how third person could be a game breaking change. Infact i see its implementation as harmless and a good way to see what your mech is doing. I cannot find a distict advantage from it. Infact i find cockpit view to be the best way to play. I reckon it would be cool if you could shoot their drones down though . This feature is no where near as bad as the original implementation of ECM. That was bad >.< but is alot better now.

I trust you guys and the way that 3pv was done, has shown me that you are still trying to make the best way to play this game as a sim, but giving the option for otherwise so players who want a more arcade experience can play as well and get PWND muhahahaha. 3pv was not a mistake. The mistake was making a promise without understanding how your roadmap may have needed to change. This left you looking like a politician backpeddling in an unforgiving, malicious and vindictive enviroment. In otherwords running infront of a lynch mob. Your only mistake was to make promises. DON'T DO THAT!!!!! People here seem to forget the amount of promises they themselves have made, in ignorance of what the future holds and have had to break and perfer to feed like phirranah (forgive the pun) on any hint of betrayal. Simple fix, make no more promises. Just announce features, gather feed back and keep going, because myself and many others appreciate what your doing.

PS.. I don't work for PGI, i don't know anyone from PGI, i am not a PGI bot etc... I am just a guy who loves a franchise and who wants to make himself heard so that the people bringing this game to life for me understand that there are plenty of us out there that appreciate what they are doing. Maybe some of them will be brave enough to stand up to the trolls and also say thanx PGI

Now is time for the 20 or so twits on this forum to troll away and i couldn't really care because i was brave enough in the face of this cyber bullying to say thank you.

[XSerjo]

They would not listen.

[El Bandito]

Hammur, on 29 August 2013 - 03:26 AM, said:

I am alluding to the third person view and the retraction of the multi-que thing etc.... I cannot see how third person could be a game breaking change. Infact i see its implementation as harmless and a good way to see what your mech is doing.

1. You are wrong. 3PV does offer significant advantage to people who know how to exploit it.


2. PGI breaking promise is but a MINOR part of why we are pissed at it. We were already pissed at game balance for starters. Then there are illogical mech sizes, bugs, hit detection etc... 3PV simply pushed many of us to over the edge.

Edited by El Bandito, 29 August 2013 - 04:03 AM.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

El Bandito, on 29 August 2013 - 04:03 AM, said:

1. You are wrong. 3PV does offer significant advantage to people who know how to exploit it.


2. PGI breaking promise is but a MINOR part of why we are pissed at it. We were already pissed at game balance for starters. Then there are illogical mech sizes, bugs, hit detection etc... 3PV simply pushed many of us to over the edge.

Yup, us crafty scout pilots are getting good at using 3PV to scout area's we normally couldn't. Sure it takes a ton of JJ to do it and it only works on some maps but it's a good technique. Not that it matters much in PUG land since you can't communicate effectively.

Also, I am still having fun but it vexes me that PGI has refused to use beta to quickly try different solutions to weapon balance. I fear that once launch time comes PGI won't have the lattitude to make the large changes that are frankly needed to ensure overall weapons balance. However, it is the movement away from the mech simulation I was promised to an arcade game that has me most sorely vexed. Still, I'll stick around until the new heavy gear game comes out anyways. Then I'm going whole hog on whichever one is more awesome.

[Gizmoh]

Narcissistic Martyr, on 29 August 2013 - 04:13 AM, said:

Yup, us crafty scout pilots are getting good at using 3PV to scout area's we normally couldn't. Sure it takes a ton of JJ to do it and it only works on some maps but it's a good technique. Not that it matters much in PUG land since you can't communicate effectively.

Also, I am still having fun but it vexes me that PGI has refused to use beta to quickly try different solutions to weapon balance. I fear that once launch time comes PGI won't have the lattitude to make the large changes that are frankly needed to ensure overall weapons balance. However, it is the movement away from the mech simulation I was promised to an arcade game that has me most sorely vexed. Still, I'll stick around until the new heavy gear game comes out anyways. Then I'm going whole hog on whichever one is more awesome.

Can you imagine the levels of rage that would cause? just look at the 3pv mess we have right now.

[Moriquendi86]

El Bandito, on 29 August 2013 - 04:03 AM, said:

1. You are wrong. 3PV does offer significant advantage to people who know how to exploit it.

So using 3PV for your advantage require skill? Great, then explain what is wrong in skill/communication/team based feature that adds another layer to scouting?

I would understand the upset if it would be unfair advantage but as long both teams can use it in same way and it actually require some skill to use I'm happy that it exists.

Also I fully agree with OP, game have issues that are resolved rather slowly, but still I love many aspects of the game and I will continue to support MWO and PGI.

[Havyek]

I'm most upset about still playing what is essentially the same game that I started playing in June 2012 over a year later and seeing no significant progress made towards the entire point of playing this game: Community Warfare

[Havyek]

Moriquendi86, on 29 August 2013 - 04:24 AM, said:

So using 3PV for your advantage require skill? Great, then explain what is wrong in skill/communication/team based feature that adds another layer to scouting?

I would understand the upset if it would be unfair advantage but as long both teams can use it in same way and it actually require some skill to use I'm happy that it exists.

Also I fully agree with OP, game have issues that are resolved rather slowly, but still I love many aspects of the game and I will continue to support MWO and PGI.

Seriously?
No one is upset that that 3PV is only usable by 1 team and not the other, people are upset that 1) We were told from the outset that the game would be 1PV because 3PV gives a significant advantage to those that use it, over those who prefer the look/feel of 1PV (which it does).
2) As stated, 3PV gives a significant advantage over those who are using 1PV because they prefer the look/feel of it
3) Anyone who wishes to be competitive is forced to use 3PV, even though they may prefer 1PV (MW4 anyone?)
4) WE STILL DON'T HAVE COMMUNITY WARFARE!

[Wolfways]

Hammur, on 29 August 2013 - 03:26 AM, said:

***Lots of stuff***

I may not agree with everything you said but someone saying how they feel, even if they think they'll get grief from others (which on any game forum you will ) gets my respect.

[vyolin]

El Bandito, on 29 August 2013 - 04:03 AM, said:

1. You are wrong. 3PV does offer significant advantage to people who know how to exploit it.

And the main problem with that is that it makes playing a dedicated scout even less worthwhile than it already was. Because why would you waste up to 40 tons, that is, one scout mech, when everyone on your team can just hit F4. And while this may only affect coordinated team play since scouting is wasted on PUGs it is still in no way excusable. Apart from PGI breaking their word and all that fuzz.

Edited by vyolin, 29 August 2013 - 04:38 AM.

[Touareg]

XSerjo, on 29 August 2013 - 03:35 AM, said:

They would not listen.

TL; DR? The post was positive, btw.

[El Bandito]

Moriquendi86, on 29 August 2013 - 04:24 AM, said:

I would understand the upset if it would be unfair advantage but as long both teams can use it in same way and it actually require some skill to use I'm happy that it exists.

Thank God that you belong to the minority, otherwise, we would still be in the no JJ shake poptart meta with 3-4 PPCs firing with no penalty.

"Exploitable advantage can exist as long as both sides can use it" is a dumb as hell argument.

Edited by El Bandito, 29 August 2013 - 04:47 AM.

[KharnZor]

El Bandito, on 29 August 2013 - 04:46 AM, said:

Thank God that you belong to the minority, otherwise, we would still be in the no JJ shake poptart meta with 3-4 PPCs firing with no penalty.

"Exploitable advantage can exist as long as both sides can use it" is a dumb as hell argument.

Indeed.

[Aerokii]

Came in expecting a generic rant against PGI- ended up with an optimistic post in complete change of pace from the usual we see from this community.

Everything went better than expected. =)

Oh, and here's an interesting read for this community.

(NOTE: I don't support every decision PGI makes, but sometimes I think people really need to take a step back and breath.)

[Tombstoner]

Aerokii, on 29 August 2013 - 05:12 AM, said:

Came in expecting a generic rant against PGI- ended up with an optimistic post in complete change of pace from the usual we see from this community.

Everything went better than expected. =)

Oh, and here's an interesting read for this community.

(NOTE: I don't support every decision PGI makes, but sometimes I think people really need to take a step back and breath.)

Your interesting read is in my opinion BS. Its like celebrities complaining about paparazzi. I'm famous but they won't leave me alone. my twitter acount is full of hate.... OMG. limit access. until people start coming to where you work or live deal with it. People are gona hate some of the things you do. just like polatitions. report content to the police and move on. when the first game dev is gunned down i'll change my view until then suck it up as part of the job and limit contact. or beter yet link all accounts to a real credit card and keep that on file. when a poster gets out of line you go the cops and say here take care of this...

[scJazz]

Aerokii, on 29 August 2013 - 05:12 AM, said:

Came in expecting a generic rant against PGI- ended up with an optimistic post in complete change of pace from the usual we see from this community.

Everything went better than expected. =)

Oh, and here's an interesting read for this community.

(NOTE: I don't support every decision PGI makes, but sometimes I think people really need to take a step back and breath.)

Indeed the passion shown by the community has crossed the line into open abuse, screaming, hissy fit, ranting worthy of a two year old who is promised Vanilla Ice Cream and gets Chocolate Chip instead.

Everyone needs to calm down!

[Lostdragon]

OP, I am glad you are enjoying the game and feel you have gotten your money's worth out of your purchases. I have been playing Mechwarrior since MW2 back in 1995 when I was 12 years old. I did not purchase a founder's package because I have been burned on preordering games too many times so I decided to wait and see what they came up with. I joined open beta back in march and I was pleased with the game so I supported it by spending some money.

Back in June I resolved not to spend any more until some big issues were fixed and we had the CW details PGI kept saying were coming. I have stuck by that and will continue to do so because I am still unsatisfied with the progress of the game. I think there have been a lot of bad decisions made and a lot of things PGI have said just made things worse.

When they qnnounced they were going to have 3PV with seperate queues I was ok with that. I understood the reasoning behind it and I thought it might help new players learn the game. I was ok with it as a training wheels type thing that pushed people toward 1PV for CW and ranked matches. What I did not want to happen is what happened in MW4 where everyone played in 3PV because of the field of view advantage it offered.

Needless to say I was very disappointed with how they ultimately implemented 3PV. By restricting the HUD elements and using a poor camera angle that does not show most mechs' legs and feet I think 3PV is actually worse for new users.

As it stands right now the only thing 3PV is good for is getting a pulled back and wider field of view that allows you to see way more of the battlefield than 1PV. I exploit this ability in most games to scout or line up sniper shots.

So while I am glad you are enjoying the game I think you are seeing things with rose colored glasses. PGI specifically said 3PV offers no advantage and that is demonstrably false. Combined with other recent decisions like ghost heat and Russ and Bryan's condescending attitudes, this has caused me to lose confidence in PGI.

I am still playing the game a bit but I don't enjoy it like I used to when I would play for hours. I don't think the game is living up to the MW legacy or the vision that PGI originally outlined for it. I am afraid launch is going to be a disaster and the game is going to get skewered by the press, which could ultimately be the end of it. I hope that is not the case and PGI can turn this ship around but I don't think their current leadership is willing to do that. They seem more than willing to try to alienate the fans who got them to this point in hopes of attracting a new type of player.

My grandpa used to say "You gotta dance with the one that brung you." I think PGI would do well to remember that maxim because a lot of people who helped get them to this point feel the same way I do and we are tired of it. If PGI wants my financial support again they need to say what they mean and mean what they say. They need to listen to their community or they won't have much of one before too long. I have seen it happen with many games based on bigger IPs than Battletech.

Edited by Lostdragon, 29 August 2013 - 06:35 AM.

[Moriquendi86]

El Bandito, on 29 August 2013 - 04:46 AM, said:

Thank God that you belong to the minority, otherwise, we would still be in the no JJ shake poptart meta with 3-4 PPCs firing with no penalty.

"Exploitable advantage can exist as long as both sides can use it" is a dumb as hell argument.

Nope, 3PV as was stated before me require "people to actually know how to use it to gain advantage" ergo it only benefits skilled player with good communication in team. I would hardly call this and exploit as well as I would not call teamspeak communication and exploit while it clearly benefits players who use it. Poptarting was just easy way to play this game, everybody could do this and it was clearly not fun to play as well reducing diversity in the game. 3PV while it isn't perfect feature and require tweaking, adds a diversity and new layer of gameplay which can hardly be named unfair.

[Tolkien]

scJazz, on 29 August 2013 - 05:39 AM, said:

Indeed the passion shown by the community has crossed the line into open abuse, screaming, hissy fit, ranting worthy of a two year old who is promised Vanilla Ice Cream and gets Chocolate Chip instead.

Everyone needs to calm down!

At the risk of sounding like a 2 year old let me nit pick a bit here.

If you pay money to get vanilla ice cream and you get chocolate chip instead you ask for a refund and you get it. Here we bought founders packs to support the development of a 1pv game (stated repeatedly in the media and by the devs early on) but are being forced to deal with 3pv.

I don't care that 3pv is in the game, but I don't want to use it or have it used against me at any level of play.

PGI should either put in the split queues they promised, or let us founders who wouldn't have funded a 3pv mechwarrior game have a refund on our founders packs.

[Lucky Noob]

all i wanna say, Thanks for your Opinion and statement, i hope we read more from you in the Future.

an Forum lives trought different Point of Fiews and an Disscusion about it, so i realy welcome your Post.

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