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[GMAK]

I'm searching for this. This site http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab claim that the vitor 9s can't and I tried the altas they can't too.

So I'm right?

Thanks

[Lostdragon]

A Cataphract 3D or Ilya Muromets could but you would have to run a STD engine and it would be rather slow. A. Jager DD could fit both in the arms and use an XL for more speed.

Edited by Lostdragon, 06 September 2013 - 01:53 PM.

[Tyrnea Smurf]

yes jagermechs for sure, or any heavy or assault mech with 2 ballistic slots would be able to mount both. I 'm doubtful if a medium would have the hardpoints or weight to mount both.

How effective it would be is iffy imho simply because of the requirement to carry 2 different calibers of ammo, both of which would be under pressure in a sustained fight. In the 8v8 days it wouldn't have been bad, but in the 12v12 world you will run out of ammo more often than not, assuming you live to the latter stages of your battles.

[Wintersdark]

Jagermech would be the ideal route, and quite effective. a catapult k2 could do it as well, but not so well (it couldn't use an xl engine).

That's about it. To do so requires ballistic hard points in two locations, and one of those locations need to be large enough for the ac20. Any Jagermech, or a Cataphract Ilya, or 3d are the only practical options. There's no current assaults capable of packing that.

[Koniving]

Mak54291, on 06 September 2013 - 01:36 PM, said:

I'm searching for this. This site http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab claim that the vitor 9s can't and I tried the altas they can't too.

So I'm right?

Thanks

In the same location, no.
Jagermechs can do 1 AC/20 + 1 AC/10, which you can back up with additional ballistics like an Ac/5 (not a UAC/5, not enough slots) or an AC/2 or MGs.
Some Cataphracts can do this. Namely the 3D and the Muromets (the Muromets is the only mech in the entire game at the moment that could actually carry AC/20 + 2 AC/10s -- the only other one that could do it, bar weird hero mech designs, would be the King Crab, and that's only if given torso slots).

The blackjack ~could~ do it, but it's not practical. 1 ton of ammo each and tiny engine with no armor.

[GMAK]

You guys are right. My jagermech can carry an ac20 and ac10 but not ammo. It's why I need an assault one. Or maybe heavy.

[Wintersdark]

Crazy ILYA MUROMETS build with AC20, 2xLB-X AC10.

Much, much more plausible JM6-DD build, sporting AC20 and AC10, as requested; backed up by 2xMachine Guns and 2xMedium Lasers, rocking 76.8kph with skills and a time-to-overheat of 30 seconds - with the ML's and MG's able to fire continuously while you cool off. This, actually, is a very cool build if you don't obsess over symmetrical mechs. It would be an absolute terror at close range, 13.4 DPS is nothing to scoff at, and being able to indefinitely sustain 8.4dps is very, very good.

Edited by Wintersdark, 06 September 2013 - 02:49 PM.

[Wintersdark]

Mak54291, on 06 September 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

You guys are right. My jagermech can carry an ac20 and ac10 but not ammo. It's why I need an assault one. Or maybe heavy.

See my Jagermech above. AC20, AC10, Machine guns, all with ammo; and a pair of backup MLas as well. Bind the AC20 and MG's to your right mouse button, your AC10 and MG's to your left mouse button (right arm, left arm, both also firing MG's just in case because why the hell not, 2000 rounds is lots), then the ML's and MG's to your favourite "Group 3" button - left shift for me, some use middle mouse or a thumb button, or even "E".

There are no assaults that can carry an AC20 and AC10, unfortuantely.

[GMAK]

Wintersdark, on 06 September 2013 - 02:53 PM, said:

See my Jagermech above. AC20, AC10, Machine guns, all with ammo; and a pair of backup MLas as well. Bind the AC20 and MG's to your right mouse button, your AC10 and MG's to your left mouse button (right arm, left arm, both also firing MG's just in case because why the hell not, 2000 rounds is lots), then the ML's and MG's to your favourite "Group 3" button - left shift for me, some use middle mouse or a thumb button, or even "E".

There are no assaults that can carry an AC20 and AC10, unfortuantely.

No I don't see it. You have not posted any link.

Edited by Mak54291, 06 September 2013 - 04:55 PM.

[Wintersdark]

Mak54291, on 06 September 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

No I don't see it. You have not posted any link.

I have indeed. Post #7 has two links, the ILYA MURMOMETS build and the JM6-DD build; both names (note the underlines and blue text?) are links to the relevant builds.

Edited by Wintersdark, 06 September 2013 - 06:16 PM.

[Koniving]

Mak54291, on 06 September 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

You guys are right. My jagermech can carry an ac20 and ac10 but not ammo. It's why I need an assault one. Or maybe heavy.

I don't see why not. Are you using a standard or XL engine? An XL engine would make it easier.

I have here, AC/20 + AC/10 + a 265 rated engine + 4 small lasers + AMS and 1 ton AMS ammo + 6 tons total of ammo (3 tons each).
AC/20 + AC/10 Jager.
Ditch the lasers and I can do 4 tons of ammo each (8 tons).
Trade the AC/10 for an LB-10, and I can do even more ammo.

This build here runs an unlikely combination. AC/10 + twin Mg + TRIPLE AC/2 AWESOMENESS.

and here.


It actually works a lot better with an LB-10 instead.

Note that an AC/20 weighs 14 tons. Triple Ac/2s + MGs weighs 18 + 1 tons + ammo for both. That's in addition to my 11 ton AC/10 on my Jager. So it's entirely possible.

[GMAK]

Ok I see the link now sorry.

The ILYA MURMOMETS would a nice thing to buy.

[Faithsfall]

While it isn't an ac/20 and ac/10 i'm running my orion (Protector) with 2 M/L 1 AC/20 and a PPC, this works quite well as a twin fired ac/20 and PPC with the M/L as a back up when things get too close.

[Syllogy]

Jagermech with AC20, AC10, and 4 Mediums: http://mwo.smurfy-ne...b8bc3ef34495d5a