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[mack sabbath]

2 LB10's to a Jenners parked face, no effect, and MANY more matches where they do no damage on solid hits.


Glad to see at Launch, as usual, the "fixes" make things worse. Great job guys. Game isn't even playable now on Ilya with any ballistic weapon.

[Homeless Bill]

It's a good thing the removal of General Discussion has done such a great job of clearing up the riff-raff. On topic, you're in luck, friend: Orions are available for MC.

[Mehlan]

Die Primate Die, on 10 September 2013 - 04:14 PM, said:

2 LB10's to a Jenners parked face, no effect, and MANY more matches where they do no damage on solid hits.


Glad to see at Launch, as usual, the "fixes" make things worse. Great job guys. Game isn't even playable now on Ilya with any ballistic weapon.

I'd suggest something else happend or is going on...or it's your aim. No problems tagging the jenner on testing grounds.

[Raidyr]

Die Primate Die, on 10 September 2013 - 04:14 PM, said:

Glad to see at Launch, as usual, the "fixes" make things worse. Great job guys. Game isn't even playable now on Ilya with any ballistic weapon.

FWIW an Ilya with 3 UAC/5's cored my Jenner out in 3 seconds while I was circling him at 138kmh.

But yeah hit detection is a mess. 3 ERPPC shots against the same target, he explodes with the particle effect that signifies a hit, no damage. This really needs to be ironed out by launch.

[mack sabbath]

Stationary targets inside 20 meters. My LB-10X, and later on Ultra 5's, same as your PPC shot....dead center hits, torso lights up, then NO damage.

Before the patch, recent fixes had improved this for me, but now it's worse than I've ever personally experienced before. It's making me not want to bother dropping if my valid shots do no harm to my opponents...and this thing is about to lose the beta tag, seriously?

[CrashieJ]

Mehlan, on 10 September 2013 - 05:06 PM, said:

testing grounds.

because that's totally the same as a match with 23 other flesh-and-blood players on the internet with a ping of over 100

[Splitpin]

Agreed Die Primate Die, I too was hoping for an improvement but it's no better, possibly worse -- deep sigh.

Edited by Splitpin, 10 September 2013 - 08:33 PM.

[DaZur]

In "my" game hit reg has been outstanding...

Rumor has it PGI's been secretly nerfing malcontent accounts in hope they quit out of frustration.

You on the naughty list there DPD?

[BeardedGlass]

Since the patch my computer cannot run this game anymore. The screens are populated with ethereal mechs only revealed by ambient occlusion and skybox errors. If someone can tell me how to post a picture I can show you what my screen is seeing now. My centurion has Cloaking.

[SweetJackal]

When you post Hit Reg Problems or HitBox Problems please also post your Ping.

Your Ping will change the experiences you have in the game. This is true of any online component to a game.

[IceLom]

My ping is around 50... and the hit registration seems to be working great.

Maybe its still wack for high ping people i don't know.

[Alistair Winter]

It works both ways. Yesterday, I was playing my Raven 4X with 2 ER LLs and got engaged in a sniping match against a Stalker with LLs. After two alphas to my face, the guy cores my Raven... from behind. I'm not a scientist, I don't understand how lasers work. But I'm pretty sure they're not supposed to work by reflecting off nearby terrain and destroying their target from behind.

It's a pity they can't deal with this problem, but on a positive note, they are releasing a lot of new mechs.

[Thorqemada]

Mehlan, on 10 September 2013 - 05:06 PM, said:

I'd suggest something else happend or is going on...or it's your aim. No problems tagging the jenner on testing grounds.

The "Testing Ground" is an incomplete playground to move around and shot stuff with different "rules" than the online game bcs of incorrect Missile damage and bcs Pilot stats, ping and whatever else not working in the testing grounds.
Testing Ground is a good tool to setup your "Weapon Groups" though.

[Mehlan]

gavilatius, on 10 September 2013 - 06:33 PM, said:

because that's totally the same as a match with 23 other flesh-and-blood players on the internet with a ping of over 100

gavilatius, on 10 September 2013 - 06:33 PM, said:

because that's totally the same as a match with 23 other flesh-and-blood players on the internet with a ping of over 100

because genius, if you'd used your head you'd realize I was pointing out 1 'system' that could NOT be the cause of it. Do you think all of a sudden, because you add more bodies that the hit locations change? While I'm at it though, what actual TESTING have you done so far to try to figure out what's happening/going on?

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The "Testing Ground" is an incomplete playground to move around and shot stuff with different "rules" than the online game bcs of incorrect Missile damage and bcs Pilot stats, ping and whatever else not working in the testing grounds.
Testing Ground is a good tool to setup your "Weapon Groups" though.

See ^. The idea behind testing is to remove variables to find a root cause, not add them.

Edited by Mehlan, 11 September 2013 - 04:35 AM.

[Orodain]

Hit reg is so wacky since the last update. I get hits registering in my crosshairs for shots I know obviously miss and I feel 0 on core shots.

But what does it matter everything about this game is wacky. It seems a core of die hard battletech fans are propping up this farce. Weapons are limited to "whatever is strongest" so if you arent lugging around the strongest weapons youll likely be worthless. Think a whole bunch of lasers etc are going to hurt the enemy? Hardly cause theyre going to plug you once with an ac20 and thats the fight.

Wouldnt even be the worst part of the game if anything else was balanced, tonnage limits anyone? Why attempt to balance 25 ton mechs vs 100 ton mechs. It shouldnt be a contest. 25 ton mechs should lose unless wolf packing singled out assaults.

Yet every match one teams made up of lights and meds vs team ATLAS CATAPULT LRM RAIN ac20 to you mouf. You have a matchmaking system, you cant tell it to pair up games based on a certain weight makeup? Give each team certain mechs? I guess that would stop the pre mades from being able to bring all assaults eh? Wouldnt want to upset the people spending money EH!?

The list goes on and on ECM machines being more relevant to winning than their ecmless counterparts. Games fun but not going to make it like it couldve. that and things like 80 bucks fro 3 months of playtime and a bunch of sprites? Kids are crazy.. so crazy.

[Hythos]

There are two elements working together that are causing the negative play experience:
Hit Registry issues (most visuably evident with lights when they overheat+shut down and are standing still)
And players knowingly exploiting hit-registry issues

Whether the issue is purposely caused by PGI to aid new players whom ONLY have light mechs, or is their indirect method to reduce the instance of "AssaultWarrior On-Line", the current mechanics are not fair to all.

[Feetwet]

I have been running a J6 for a couple of weeks now with LBX10s. Primarily filling the role of light swatter. This worked really well until this last week. The LBXs still seem to be tearing heavier mechs up (once armor is low) but seems to have lost effectiveness against lights. Don't know the cause...my ping is usually in the 50s.

On another note...I run a spider from time to time trying to level it up. I have no fear engaging multiple heavier mechs unless they are packing a {Scrap} load of streaks/lasers. This must be what the 3L used to feel like. It feels kindof dirty but I've got to level it.

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[Xandre Blackheart]

Hit calculation in testing grounds is done on your computer, is it not?

That would be a totally different network mechanic than having hit calculation done on their servers.

Every time I see someone talk about "Hit registration is fine in testing grounds" I just want to ask them why they think that is even an issue.

And just so you know, yes it's gotten a lot worse. Convergence breaking at close range is one factor that adds to the problem, but it's not the same issue.

The issue shows up most often within 90m, point blank range. It's most noticeable on mechs standing absolutely still, but it happens with moving mechs more often.

[Gallowglas]

Anecdotal experiece, yes, but it seems a LOT better to me. I had three back-to-back kills on a light mech lance that was trying to wolf pack me on Tourmaline. No, it's definitely not "fixed" because there are still a lot of suspect hitboxes, but it seems much better than it was in previous patches.

[Xandre Blackheart]

At this point, I don't even think it's the "hitboxes". I think it's just plain crappy netcode and some kind of error in the Hit State Rewind.

If it was "hitboxes" you could replicate it on the test grounds.