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[Evax]

Agee with darqsyde, ddr2 is pretty poor...Before I built the budget ghetto build im using now I had ddr3 1066 4gb...and O.C to 1333 with some decent CAS timing and saw an improvement of about 10 frames..(Q6600 2.8 o.c, socket 775).

We realize you cant Upgrade right away, and I feel you for giving props to your CPU for being such a good little soilder for so long, but it is 3 gens back....1155 and 1150 are out now and even ignoring the cpu issue, the mother boards are now better.

[Rorvik]

If you guys want to believe, desperately believe against all the evidence, that MWO's engine is not poorly optimized, that's your prerogative and I won't keep you from that.

But I don't buy it, for reaons I've already explained (which, if you want to know about, feel free to go back and actually, you know, READ what I wrote prior), and no one has provided any reasons so far to believe otherwise.

Edited by Rorvik, 29 September 2013 - 02:22 PM.

[Truesight]

Rorvik, on 27 September 2013 - 07:24 PM, said:

I didn't. Just pointing out that either it's a ) poor engine design by CryTek, or b ) poor optimization by PGI. I'm going to bet heavily that it's b ).

ETA: Also, I forgot to mention this, but why is it that when I PLAY the game, I get 35 FPS, but when I die and SPECTATE, the FPS jumps to 55 FPS? What is it about PLAYING the game, controlling the mechs, that is causing a 20 FPS drop?

You get those jumps, because your CPU is pretty much idle after you are dead, it does not need to calculate game data from there on, just display it.

Just FYI, i am GFX limited, my FPS do not increase after my death (no Vsync on, FPS is constantly above 50-60).

Well, they might have messed the engine up and made it sloppy on the CPU part so it is using too much CPU power, but that knowledge will not help you get better FPS out of it, as it is you need a faster CPU for that, maybe they fix it... maybe not.

Edited by Truesight, 29 September 2013 - 10:23 PM.

[Mad Strike]

Rorvik, on 12 September 2013 - 07:51 PM, said:

GeForce Experience is practically worthless, ESPECIALLY for MWO.

My current system (Q9550 2.83 GHz, 4 GB DDR2 RAM, GTX 470 1.28 GB, Win7-64bit) meets or exceeds most of the RECOMMENDED system requirements for MWO (I sincerely doubt PGI's recommended 8 GB of RAM makes any difference whatsoever, however).

GFE, however, says the "optimal" settings for my system is to set EVERYTHING to Low and to set the resolution to 1280x720 (I have a 1080 monitor). What's worse, despite recommending the lowest settings possible for my rig, GFE claims my system STILL isn't good enough to run the game at the recommended "optimal" setting.

Ever since PGI fixed that graphics bug back in February, I've been able to get a 30 FPS average with most settings at Medium and a few on High, and while the game could definitely be better optimized (I can get 50 FPS average while spectating...), I think GFE is on just running on crack in this case.

Of the 8 supported games I have, GFE has only manage to optimize Battlefield 3, so, take it's recommendations with a heavy grain of salt...

Experience actually Works but at a very basic level with MWO ; i used to have an GT440 and did the same (everything in low) now i have a GTX 660 TI and puts my settings on VERY HIGH. So don't expect a balanced tweak on the near future.

Edited by strikebrch, 07 October 2013 - 03:02 PM.

[GetinmyBellah]

Upgrading your RAM will help, but as mentioned below I'd start a new build if you plan on playing today's titles, even on a budget you can easily acquire solid hardware at incredible prices. Just signup for the newsletters and check the sites daily for sales. I wouldn't purchase anything unless on sale for 20% or more.

Some of your fps ratings seem extremely low. I run MW:O with very high settings, AA maxed @ 1920x1080 60Hz w/fullscreen under the Hanns-g HL272 gaming monitors, three of them actually ~ anyhow...

My current rig:


My current benchmark:


You could say I have a mid-range PC at best that's becoming out of date with each days passing and I average 67 fps in the thickest of battles. Outside of battle I average over 118 fps. Do the majority of you have mass manufactured PC's? I've been building my own since '96 and I always start with the CPU and then build around it accordingly. I only use top quality hardware that is friendly to the QV list provided by Intel and, or the AMD CPU. Sometimes a budget has reared it's ugly head dependent on my bonuses for the quarter and in that case. I will simply await sales from NewEgg and TigerDirect and pick up pieces over several months in some cases. NE and TD are my preferred vendors because of their customer service and RMA procedures - then I will complete my build. Anyhow, here's what I'm packing and it's not close to what some of you're running yet I'm achieving higher fps ratings. Which makes no sense whatsoever. Also, a proper case, fans, and CPU cooling system are a must! I have no heat issues. Using prime95 torture testing for several hours my CPU never goes above 32 degrees celcius and my GPU rarely sees over 62 degrees. :shakes head: some of your performance ratings make no sense which is why I question the mass manufacturing, this includes alienware that I consider to be dell over priced pieces of junk to begin with.

I hope this helps in some shape, form or fashion. Good hunting o7

Addendum: I thought I'd add that in I built this PC in June of 2012. I spent right around $2,500US including the peripherals (monitors, sound system, mouse, keyboard, etc., etc.). I compared the same spec systems at the time to Alienware and OriginPC, just to name a couple "top" gaming PC vendors. They were asking $5-$6,000 for the same setups! They also had a lesser soundcard, only one monitor and cheap mouse/kboard combo's. Which is the reason why I'm posting this additional information in the first place. Building your own rig will also help you identify problems with your system once you've been around the block a few times. Saving you even more money because you don't have to take your PC to a computer shop, at $75 an hour on average. There are more videos on youtube nowadays than I can count with tutorials on how to build your own PC. Back in the day I didn't have this advantage, so there's nothing that should be stopping you from building your own! And don't buy into those combo deals, unless your confidence is really low and it's your first build. These are simply my personal opinion's on the subject, so take with a grain of salt... Cheers! =]

Edited by Vegentius, 20 October 2013 - 12:54 PM.

[RichAC]

Rorvik, on 28 September 2013 - 12:29 PM, said:

I think we can put this topic to rest now: I believe we've clearly established that my CPU isn't nearly as good as it could be for current gaming.  That is not under dispute whatsoever.

However, I feel I need to point out ONCE AGAIN:

Why does the FPS in the game jump from 35 FPS when playing to 55 FPS when spectating?
What is the game engine doing while I'm in control of the Mech that causes the 20 FPS drop?

I"ve wondered the same thing dude.  Its like a 20 fps increase for me too just spectating.  Could be that everyone is dead by that point haha.  I'm already banned from the game for complaining about how the client itself uses alot of cpu and gpu load.  about 35% gpu load for me when not even in a game.

.But we all can agree its all about cpu clockspeed.    You can look at gamegpu's benchmark charts and with their overclocked i7 at 4.8ghz on high settings and mid range gpus they are not even getting 60 fps top frames.  So I would have to agree with Geforces conclusion on your rig.

In fact i'm impressed your getting 35 fps on medium dude.    I get like 30 on low with a phenom II 2.8 820 and 650 ti.  (i'm cpu limited)  You know its a cpu bottleneck when resolution makes no diff to fps at all.    but then again if your using fraps or something for an avg,   I too will jump to 50 fps when half the players are dead lol.  ( I haven't actually benchmarked for an official avg its meaningless to me)  

but nowadays, since fps is all over the place,  that  all that really matters to me is the lowest fps i get.   which is 25 fps on certain maps in certain cases with alot of action with alot of players in one area...

I won't dispute the game is not optmized well.   but no game really is,  Bf3 is a slight exception,  because not only is it one of the few, if only,  games that was built around dx10/11,  it also fully utilizes all 4 cores.  But even still...its cpu dependent imo.  I also get about 40-50 fps on medium in bf3, but it doesn't feel much better then mwo on low.    You  do get better performance in mwo with 4 cores over two,  but two of them still aren't really doing much.  

It has always been a myth about gpus imo...   Go to microcenter pick up a 900 dollar gpu plug it in your pc and see for yourself and then return it lol.  Do the same thing with the ram, then return.   Thats what compusa was always good for.  I dont' order anything online.  Build a whole rig to test and return every part no questions asked full money back.   I've actually done this a couple times....Support microcenter.    I guarantee the only thing that will make a diff will be the cpu.

Its always been about cpu clockspeed even in 2013 unfortunately.

Edit:  I never actually read the recommended specs for this game,  that must be some kind of joke because I don't even think that is playable....actually that amd cpu ranks the same as mine on passmark....so just mark that minimum

Edited by RichAC, 27 November 2013 - 01:08 PM.

[Stefan Schneider]

Ecliptor, on 27 September 2013 - 03:26 PM, said:

yeah i don't care for this program, i purchased my laptop specifically for mwo and it more then exceeds the recomended settings but nvidia experience says i don't meet the minimum requirements however i run the game on very high with 50+ fps

Hello good sir, may I know what kind of laptop you had purchased? Which you said specifically for MWO?
You are able to run game on very high setting with 50++ FPS which is very great!
I'm planning to get a laptop specifically for MWO too, so may I know the brand and specifications of your laptop?

Thanks in advance

[Werewolf486 ScorpS]

Lictor, on 11 September 2013 - 09:13 AM, said:

went looking for updated drivers for windows 8.1 for my laptop last night and ended up downloading the Geforce Experience and it had optimize settings for MWO, nice to see it finally getting in there.

Did Geforce Experience uninstall MWO then?

[Thunder Lips Express]

Stefan Schneider, on 27 November 2013 - 12:53 PM, said:

Hello good sir, may I know what kind of laptop you had purchased? Which you said specifically for MWO?
You are able to run game on very high setting with 50++ FPS which is very great!
I'm planning to get a laptop specifically for MWO too, so may I know the brand and specifications of your laptop?

Thanks in advance

sure thing
it's a dell inspiron, says alien ware on it but i think it's just for sales or something because isn't alien ware it's own brand?
cpu i7-4500U processor NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M 2GB GDDR5.
thats all i really know about it, i'm not too savvy with computers.
it was the first computer i got that wasn't a samsung but the deal was too good to pass up.
good luck in your search buddy.
see you on the field

[Durant Carlyle]

Ecliptor, on 27 November 2013 - 06:24 PM, said:

it's a dell inspiron, says alien ware on it but i think it's just for sales or something because isn't alien ware it's own brand?

Not any more ... Dell bought Alienware. They use it as their "gaming" division.

[Thunder Lips Express]

Durant Carlyle, on 27 November 2013 - 08:34 PM, said:

Not any more ... Dell bought Alienware. They use it as their "gaming" division.

oh thanks. does that mean they got rid of their xps? i would think so, would be redundant if not

[Durant Carlyle]

Obviously there are still people who are unaware that Dell owns Alienware. So Dell will still sell some fairly powerful machines that can be used for gaming. But the real gaming computers will be sold under the Alienware name (with a big markup).

[RichAC]

Ecliptor, on 27 November 2013 - 09:41 PM, said:

oh thanks. does that mean they got rid of their xps? i would think so, would be redundant if not

No they only got rid of the studio xps,  but regular xps still got new models.   While its true building your own machine can actually be cheaper..... when it comes to mid to high end parts this is  not true once you add everything including the case etc...,  Dell is actually cheaper and its  how these companies make money.   Sometimes its also good to have a mobo that is very proprietary and unknown and  harder to brick, if you don't plan on overclocking.   But I'm sure there are corrupt dell employees out there so noone is safe.

Edited by RichAC, 29 November 2013 - 11:27 AM.

[skavi]

xWiredx, on 22 September 2013 - 07:14 PM, said:

Something that apparently nobody is taking into account is the fact that your system is DDR2-based. The same Core2 setup on a DDR3-based platform is 5-10% faster depending on the task. I can pretty much guarantee when they set out the minimum spec they were using a DDR3-based platform. Your system is holding back the GPU. Upgrading to an i3 with 4-8GB of DDR3-1600 should show a pretty decent difference. I mean, the parts are relatively cheap, so what can it possibly hurt to finally upgrade?

In other news...

I'd like to know exactly what GFE sets for GTX 660 Ti users. I just cranked everything in-game and I get a steady 55-60FPS, but if I could knock one thing down a peg without losing much in the way of eye candy but still gaining a few more FPS I'd like to know which one it recommends. I absolutely refuse to install it myself to find out, though.

For my i7 4700QM laptop with 8 gigs of DDR3L ram and a GT 750m GFE recommends everything on high so i imagine for a 660 ti system it would be the same.

[Deathsiege]

Huh wonder why mine says cannot optimize? 3.5ghz and a geforce 650ti.

[Waysyde]

My first post!

My rig:

GeForce GTX 660 ti
Intel Core i7-4770k @ 3.5ghz
ares gskill 16GB Ram
Res - 1920 x 1080, 60hz
Asus z87-pro motherboard
Samsung 840 pro ssd

Optimized setting according to GFE:

AA - Post
Display - Full
Effects - VH
Environment - VH
Object Detail - VH
Particles - High
Post-Process - High
Resolution - 1920x1080
Shading - High
Shadows - VH
Texturing - VH

BUT
The paricle shading is the only option that will change when I hit "optimize". The particles and post will not change, and says there was an error....no big deal, Ill change it in game....but then under the column where it says current settings there is a - that's it. If i change them to say, medium, the word medium will show up, but still can't optimize.

It's like GFE doesn't compute that I have the current in game settings set at what it wants for optimal.

Bizzare

Edited by Waysyde, 04 February 2014 - 12:00 PM.

[Summon3r]

Waysyde, on 04 February 2014 - 11:59 AM, said:

My first post!

My rig:

GeForce GTX 660 ti
Intel Core i7-4770k @ 3.5ghz
ares gskill 16GB Ram
Res - 1920 x 1080, 60hz
Asus z87-pro motherboard
Samsung 840 pro ssd

Optimized setting according to GFE:

AA - Post
Display - Full
Effects - VH
Environment - VH
Object Detail - VH
Particles - High
Post-Process - High
Resolution - 1920x1080
Shading - High
Shadows - VH
Texturing - VH

BUT
The paricle shading is the only option that will change when I hit "optimize". The particles and post will not change, and says there was an error....no big deal, Ill change it in game....but then under the column where it says current settings there is a - that's it. If i change them to say, medium, the word medium will show up, but still can't optimize.

It's like GFE doesn't compute that I have the current in game settings set at what it wants for optimal.

Bizzare

just FYI i have similar system to u except an i5, and i run everthing on max settings NP so not sure why GFE says thats optimal? i have the GFE app installed as well just dont use there recommendations

[Yuba]

So just a quick noob question. I see my specs are below minimum. I have a HP dv5190us stock except for 2 gigs of ram I installed. It has a Centrino Duo 1.83GHz, Ge Force Go 7400 256mb, and shared 256 mb from motherboard graphics. I know the configure program on MW4 Vengeance only accepts low setting for gpu. Its still not great with the notebook overheating, lol. Gonna buy a proper gaming pc when I get my taxes back. Anyways, back to the question...should I try to play on your server? I have a feeling it won't work. Anyone have suggestons on buying a taylormade or building my own? Also, I would like to have media center capabilities too. Thanks for your help.
Yuba

[Jody Von Jedi]

Yuba, on 05 March 2014 - 05:10 AM, said:

So just a quick noob question. I see my specs are below minimum. I have a HP dv5190us stock except for 2 gigs of ram I installed. It has a Centrino Duo 1.83GHz, Ge Force Go 7400 256mb, and shared 256 mb from motherboard graphics. I know the configure program on MW4 Vengeance only accepts low setting for gpu. Its still not great with the notebook overheating, lol. Gonna buy a proper gaming pc when I get my taxes back. Anyways, back to the question...should I try to play on your server? I have a feeling it won't work. Anyone have suggestons on buying a taylormade or building my own? Also, I would like to have media center capabilities too. Thanks for your help.
Yuba

Yuba,

Welcome to MW:O !

I'm no expert on gaming rigs, but I run the game on an off the shelf Acer computer, with a GPU upgrade. Specs below:

2nd generation Intel Core i5-2320 3.0GHz Processor
8GB of DDR3 Memory
GPU upgrade: EVGA GeForce GTX 650 Ti SSC 1GB GDDR5

I get 40-60 fps since the latest patch. Before Dec of last year, and the change to UI2.0, I was getting 60-70 fps.

Hope this helps,

Jody

[Monkeystador]

Evax, on 29 September 2013 - 09:50 AM, said:

Agee with darqsyde, ddr2 is pretty poor...Before I built the budget ghetto build im using now I had ddr3 1066 4gb...and O.C to 1333 with some decent CAS timing and saw an improvement of about 10 frames..(Q6600 2.8 o.c, socket 775).

We realize you cant Upgrade right away, and I feel you for giving props to your CPU for being such a good little soilder for so long, but it is 3 gens back....1155 and 1150 are out now and even ignoring the cpu issue, the mother boards are now better.

This is what gives frames. I think getting fast ddr3 is the key to maxing out this game. So if you check your CPU and GPU and both are not fully utilised it has to be the RAM.

Edited by Monkeystador, 12 March 2014 - 05:14 AM.