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[Shadey99]

So as I just mastered the other Jagers, but I don't own the Firebrand (though darn it the sale makes that tempting), what sorts of builds do people run with them? I cannot imagine anyone leaves the stock 2 PPC + 2 AC2 + 2 ML build in place... Maybe 2xERLL+2xUAC5 FIREBRAND?

[theta123]

My favorite Firebrand build is an XL engine 280, Dual LL , Dual AC5 and Dual ML firebrand. 14 heatsinks keep everything nice and cool.

Other favorite firebrand builds are the stock build( YES I FREAKING LIKE IT?)

Or the Dual AC10/6ML one.

[Shadey99]

The stock build would like melt through the floor... AC2s in pairs run hot hot and so do PPCs... and those MPLs... At the very least I'd have to switch it to this Modded Stock FIREBRAND. And it really doesn't want to fire both PPCs and AC2s...

I can maybe see 2xAC5+2xPPC as the AC5s run fairly cool... That would look like this PPC+AC5 FIREBRAND.

[theta123]

Aye thats a fine build. I prefer dual AC5 over AC2. Longer range then the AC10 aswel as higher DPM.

[Ngamok]

If I had one, this is what I would do:

FIREBRAND

[Shadey99]

Ngamok, on 14 September 2013 - 09:31 AM, said:

If I had one, this is what I would do: FIREBRAND

Maybe I just don't fear missiles as much, but if I was going to go that route I'd make it into the 2xER LL+2xAC2 FIREBRAND. Though it still has heat issues even with 16 DHS and the DPS is still a bit low.


Btw here are a couple 'brawler' builds... One even mounts a standard engine...
* Standard Brawler FIREBRAND
* XL Brawler FIREBRAND

I expect the standard would have a slight edge if anyone tried them out...

[Simbacca]

6 Medium Lasers, 2 UAC/5s with 8 tons ammo, 1 AMS with 1 ton ammo. Endo Structure and XL280 with 2 double heat sinks is my config.

Edited by Simbacca, 14 September 2013 - 10:33 AM.

[CDLord HHGD]

2x LB-X 10's.

[Shadey99]

Well I couldn't resist the only Jager I don't own... and I bought one >.<

Since then I've played 66 matches... Though last night the matchmaker kept giving me lemons though no amount of single person skill could overcome and my win/loss in it is 31/35. k/d 63/46. 22.5k damage done. 37.6k xp earned. 5 hours played. It's Elited now and just working on mastering it.

Ironically my JM6-S is 65 matches, 40/24 w/l, 76/49 k/d, 27.7k damage done, 57.2k xp, 6 hours played. Though the bad matchmaking is most of the reason their is such a difference.

I tried other builds and finally settled on the PPC+AC5 FIREBRAND I came up with above... The ERLL+UAC5 didn't have the kick when using the lasers, and it unlike the JM6-DD/S doesn't have that sort of continuous fire of the AC2+(U)AC5 mix. I am sort of tempted to try this Blazing FIREBRAND design as a brawler...

Edit: I've updated the Blazing FIREBRAND. Because I did take it out to use it. Optimally it would probably look like this Blazing FIREBRAND, but I don't have a 285XL to use in it. I should note I'd run a standard in it except doing so would mean using a 220 engine and having only 11 DHS.

And while it runs very very hot the Modded Stock FIREBRAND is effective. Though the AC2s don't have that much ammo, I'd like an extra ton but it would have to come from armor of weapons.

Edited by Shadey99, 15 September 2013 - 07:10 AM.

[Cuddlytron]

I just picked up the FB yesterday - couldn't resist that sale! My first Jager, so I only have Basics unlocked, and I'll need to pick up another 2 variants here soon for Eliting... but anyway...

This is my preferred config so far, and I'm extremely pleased with its performance (~2.4 k/d ratio, although I don't have a lot of matches played yet): 2 UAC5 FIREBRAND. Double-tap those UACs all day, and spam the lasers when things get up close. Love this ride. With the 30% c-bill bonus, this thing is an excellent cash farmer!

I've also tried this: 2 PPC FIREBRAND build. Great for sniping / support, and the speed makes it an extremely responsive mech. I found that I didn't put out nearly much glorious damage as the 2 UAC5 build, but my kills/assists were higher. It's a cleaner killer. Although, even with regular PPCs it runs a bit too hot for my taste, so ultimately I prefer the brutal effectiveness of the 2 UAC5 build over the surgical nature of the energy builds.

Firebrand is da bomb!

[Cuddlytron]

Shadey99, on 14 September 2013 - 09:59 AM, said:

Btw here are a couple 'brawler' builds... One even mounts a standard engine...
* Standard Brawler FIREBRAND
* XL Brawler FIREBRAND

I expect the standard would have a slight edge if anyone tried them out...

I'm very intrigued by your LPL brawler builds! That's an idea I haven't seen on the forums yet. I'll definitely try them out.

A STD variation is probably the way to go for brawling, since it's pretty easy to lose the side torsi on this mech. Although, an XL 340 will get you up to a medium mech-like 93.2 kmph with speed tweak, so maybe it works if it goes really fast? 2 LPL FIREBRAND. I'll be trying this out for sure!

[Shadey99]

Cuddlytron, on 15 September 2013 - 07:47 AM, said:

I'm very intrigued by your LPL brawler builds! That's an idea I haven't seen on the forums yet. I'll definitely try them out.

A STD variation is probably the way to go for brawling, since it's pretty easy to lose the side torsi on this mech. Although, an XL 340 will get you up to a medium mech-like 93.2 kmph with speed tweak, so maybe it works if it goes really fast? 2 LPL FIREBRAND. I'll be trying this out for sure!

I tried Brawler FIREBRAND, but my results were not so good. I used MPLs and the XL 300 because it is what I had on hand. It ran super super hot if you fired the MPLs and didn't do a heck of alot of damage on just the LPLs. Since It's made for brawling anyways SLs or SPLs may be a choice and lower the heat, thought normal MLs better sync range wise with the LPLs.

[Shadey99]

Cuddlytron, on 15 September 2013 - 07:38 AM, said:

I just picked up the FB yesterday - couldn't resist that sale! My first Jager, so I only have Basics unlocked, and I'll need to pick up another 2 variants here soon for Eliting... but anyway...

This is my preferred config so far, and I'm extremely pleased with its performance (~2.4 k/d ratio, although I don't have a lot of matches played yet): 2 UAC5 FIREBRAND. Double-tap those UACs all day, and spam the lasers when things get up close. Love this ride. With the 30% c-bill bonus, this thing is an excellent cash farmer!

I tried this UAC5+Lasers FIREBRAND build which is very like yours, but my results were... not good... The UAC5s always jammed and the MLs were not good backup and the torso lasers are so low and short ranged that they were hard to us. I wish it had 2 energy hardpoints in the arms, this would allow 4 ML as backup.

Oddly though this Firestorm FIREBRAND build works well for me... If I'm within 300m stuff just dies. I gutted a Cicada with one alpha as it turned a corner...

Here is a pic of a game in the Firestorm build:

Edited by Shadey99, 15 September 2013 - 12:26 PM.

[Huntsman]

You can't go wrong with 2x AC5/AC2/UAC paired with 2x LL/ERLL. how you mix an match them will reflect your own play style more than a decisive right or wrong.

For something completely different, forego the ballistics and drop a 300 standard engine into the thing along with 4x medium lasers and 2x LL. You could also go with a 325 XL for more speed at the cost of the side torso liability. You'll end up with spare tonnage that you could put into converting the LLs into LPLs (a questionable choice), or possibly just adding machine guns and AMS.

[Cuddlytron]

Shadey99, on 15 September 2013 - 08:08 AM, said:

I tried Brawler FIREBRAND, but my results were not so good. I used MPLs and the XL 300 because it is what I had on hand. It ran super super hot if you fired the MPLs and didn't do a heck of alot of damage on just the LPLs. Since It's made for brawling anyways SLs or SPLs may be a choice and lower the heat, thought normal MLs better sync range wise with the LPLs.

The following is based only on 1 match, so take it with a pinch of salt... but I tried something similar to your LPL brawler with a XL 340 - 2 LPL + 4 ML FIREBRAND - and completely wrecked face with 5 kills, 3 assists, 834 damage. It runs a bit hot, but I only have x1 basics unlocked right now, so I imagine it should be somewhat decent on heat once elited. The hot maps might be a problem. I wouldn't use MPLs with the LPLs... it's just too much heat... and this build needs all the heatsinks you can possibly stuff into the chassis.

It's fast, so you can scoot around the map like a medium mech, and it's sneaky, since the LPLs are discreet but still pack a big punch.

When UAC5 is nerfed on Tuesday, this might become my go-to build...

[Cuddlytron]

Shadey99, on 15 September 2013 - 08:46 AM, said:

Oddly though this Firestorm FIREBRAND build works well for me... If I'm within 300m stuff just dies. I gutted a Cicada with one alpha as it turned a corner...

You're just full of good ideas! I'm going to try LPLs with the UAC5s... that looks tasty.

[Cybermech]

don't have one put this is what I put together

[Shadey99]

Cuddlytron, on 15 September 2013 - 01:36 PM, said:

You're just full of good ideas! I'm going to try LPLs with the UAC5s... that looks tasty.

I get consistent good results with it atm. Only Terra Therma and Caustic really give me some trouble (Can't fire both at once more than once without cooldown).

Cybermech, on 15 September 2013 - 02:04 PM, said:

don't have one put this is what I put together

I tried something like that, but the low torso lasers compared to the high arms makes it hard to use added to the arm lasers not having much oomf. Makes me wish I could have a 75 ton Jager... So you can mount the heavy energy+ballistic in the arms and still have a full set of torso lasers... with lots of heatsinks...